The Return of Emrakul

Modern* Celestrael

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The_Raven says... #1

Know what you need?

Magus of the Vineyard.

It gives a T2 Fist of Suns and a T3 Emrakul. That is what you want.

You also need to search you library a little. Serum Visions is needed. Temporal Mastery is bad. Time Warp is good, bevause it is the magical 5 mana. 2 mana dorks and a land. That seems solid.

Elvish Piper is not good. If it worked in Modern, it would be played. However you want Archangel or Fist with a win con. That is how you should win.

Bringer of the Black Dawn is kind of..... Meh? It could work..... but that "At the beginning of your upkeep is kind of slow. Besides that, it doesn't work with Fist.... Have you thought of another win con? Like Iona, Shield of Emeria? You can play whatever card you want...

April 7, 2015 3:46 p.m.

Celestrael says... #2

The benefit of Bringer of the Black Dawn is it can be cast using Channel the Suns and the upkeep is right before your card draw step, so you put the card on the top right before you draw it. This has the added benefit of triggering Temporal Mastery's 2 drop "Miracle" cost. Magus of the Vineyard looks very attractive but I'm concerned that it also gives my opponent the same mana advantage that it gives me.

Regarding the number of wincons, the original had 3 but I found that the deck was trying to do too much. The focus guarantees more consistency. Also with the turn restriction on modern format, Emrakul's extra turn ability essentially guarantees victory. He wipes the opposing board with annihilator and swings in for 15. There's no coming back from that, combo deck or not. And if a Maelstrom Archangel or Bringer of the Black Dawn has made it onto the board, you're swinging in for 20 on the first swipe and chances are you end the game right there.

April 7, 2015 3:59 p.m.

Celestrael says... #3

So I did a little homework, and I think Demonic Tutor would be a great replacement for Bringer of the Black Dawn. It can be cast during your upkeep so that it triggers Temporal Mastery miracle cost, and it's faster than Bringer. You loss an opportunity to swing for 5, but the speed should compensate for that.

If I do that, I think the 4 forests should be traded out for 4 G/B shock lands to make sure I have the B mana available.

Thoughts NorthernRaven and Rhadamanthus?

April 7, 2015 4:41 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #4

What card are you talking about? Demonic Tutor isn't even legal in Legacy. If you meant Vampiric Tutor then that was never printed in a Modern-legal set, either.

April 7, 2015 4:46 p.m.

Celestrael says... #5

I really need to start looking at legality before I make a suggestion, I got excited. But this is a blessing in disguise because I found a better replacement that is legal in Modern.

Grim Reminder, 3 drop, instant, can be cast during upkeep, can be returned to your hand for 2 B to be cast again. The second part of the text is pretty useless but the rest is worthwhile.

Bam. And again, add 4x B/G shocklands in place of the forests.

April 7, 2015 5:18 p.m.

Celestrael says... #6

Fuck. That's not right either. I'm dumb.

April 7, 2015 5:19 p.m.

Celestrael says... #7

So all I can come up with is Time of Need. Time of Need is extremely cheap, will bring my win condition right out, but cannot be used to bring out other parts of the combo nor the time stealing cards.

There's also Increasing Ambition... which is costly at 5, but it can be flashbacked for one of each mana using Fist of Suns to pull 2 more cards. I don't know if that is more efficient than Bringer of the Black Dawn which allows you to Vampiric Tutor every upkeep...

April 7, 2015 5:56 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #8

Fist of Suns can't be used on Flashback costs. It specifically says you can pay WUBRG rather than "the mana cost", and "mana cost" only means the symbols printed in the upper-right corner of a card, not any other costs. Both Fist and Flashback are alternative costs and you can't apply more than one alternative cost to a mana cost.

April 7, 2015 6:06 p.m.

Celestrael says... #9

So what I'm getting is that there's no better alternative available in Modern for Bringer of the Black Dawn. Which is fine. What do you make of Magus of the Vineyard that he suggested? I think it's a risky gamble, giving my opponent extra mana too.

April 7, 2015 6:51 p.m.

Celestrael says... #10

A notable mention I came across was Demonic Collusion, it costs the same as Bringer of the Black Dawn, but it puts the card directly into your hand. It also has buyback, if you discard two cards. I feel like that'd only be ideal when you have a Maelstrom Archangel out though, because the only way you're going to be able to play Emrakul, the Aeons Torn that turn is if she swings and she puts him on the board. Demonic Collusion eats up too much mana to Channel the Suns the same turn to get him out that way. Unless there's some trick I'm not seeing.

April 7, 2015 7:07 p.m.

DBCooper says... #11

i'd run Fabricate

April 9, 2015 7:46 a.m.

forforforest says... #12

This deck is good, when it works. It's not consistent enough yet to be completely competitive, but those are the funnest to play haha. I've always thought any ramp emrakul deck is too slow for anything but casual and fnm maybe once in a while.

But, I think this deck would be one of the most fun things to play with if that's any consolation. && yeah, listen to DBCooper, that would be sick, fabricate to fist of the suns to emrakul, viola! piss off your opponent to the point of him breaking the table and storming out.

April 9, 2015 1:30 p.m.

nickiru says... #13

Hey saw your post thought I would check this out:

I am a wierd player so I often give strange suggestions but hopefully I am thought provoking:

Right off the bat I would suggest Utopia Sprawl as it is turn 1 solid mana ramp and a color if necessary. To retrofit it in you can replace the City of Brass with Overgrown Tomb or Stomping grounds or some shock with a forest property for utopia to enchant: this will help with color as well as growth rate I think.

Gilded Lotus? Darksteel Ingot maybe, it is a thought to me cause its indestructible and makes any color.

these would help you with stuff like Fist of Suns or hard casting your critters with straight cash.

For sideboard: I STRONGLY recommend: I can give a compelling argument (hopefully) that Sun Droplet would aid you against red burn decks and artifact affinity: those aggro decks that try to dish out lot of damage and burn out their hand fast.

Read it carefully cause 99% people I use droplet against over look the "each" upkeep part. this means you gain 2 life by your next turn. If a red deck Lightning Bolts you by your next turn you gained 2 of it back and their next they wastes the burn. Its pure card advantage against red decks. It also cancels out most of the small critters those aggros throw at you turn 1 or 2. Plus: this is all for 2 colorless mana artifact :D

I also recommend Fiery Justice for your sideboard or possibly mainboard if you construct your mana base a bit for the colors: this card absolutely wrecks token and affinity decks for obvious reasons. since you deck builds to your eldrazi and massive critters, the five life that they gain is worthless and you just whipped the board for 3 mana. If you want less color intensity but similar effect I strongly recommend Aurelia's Fury which has many tactical advantages that can buy you a lot of time, kill the enemy, delay the enemy's casting or fat creatures, or clean the board of their mana ramp or aggro critters.

so yah: just some food for thought :D I will probably think of more.... (processing)

April 11, 2015 12:38 p.m.

nickiru says... #14

hey reading ur post you asked if we thought ur deck would do any good in the meta: I think it has potential: currently slow with wholes but of course any fresh deck does. through time you work through these issues and the deck becomes a hyper efficient beast.

If you would like we could corrdinate a time when we can kill each other on 'untap.in'

I am Nickiru there as well. I play a competitive homebrew and I need to test as well and I think it would be perfect for 'your' deck to test against my deck cause my deck combines aggro with very strong end game; which your deck I think would struggle with the aggro and then my end game would boom past yours maybe... I think it would be good testing for both of us if you want to. There is no better way to improve than combat :D

April 11, 2015 12:49 p.m.

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