For those who were using the playtester to check the deck's playability, the foil status of some of the cards were messing with the deck in the playtester. I hadn't noticed because I have been testing decks sparingly recently and only found out the cause after some helpful comments on my Knights of the Blood Oath deck.
So if you had problems before, try again! The decks are fixed now!
January 29, 2013 12:38 p.m.
AnOldEskimo says... #3
No problem. I might even go as far as -2 mountains +2 plains to make it 9 and 4 if you still don't find that working. It seems really easy to get a turn 2 red given the mana base but for some reason it seems to be harder to get a turn one white, and with this deck whether or not you have a one drop can make or break a game. Especially if that one drop is Champion of the Parish . But definitely try a less extreme ratio first, there is a lot of red.
January 29, 2013 12:45 p.m.
nothingbutblue says... #4
what about Boros Reckoner ? I pulled it in the prerelease and it actually helped me out a whole lot. Plus its a hybrid so its a little easier to pull out than Spark Trooper .But hey its your decision
January 29, 2013 1:42 p.m.
Do you foresee the lack of air support being an issue?
January 29, 2013 4:13 p.m.
Why not stonewright over boros elite? It pumps up champion which you seems to want to do, and when paired with silverblade can do a lot of damage.
January 29, 2013 9:43 p.m.
Flyers aren't as necessary when I can push damage through with Hellrider and Frontline Medic . Firemane Avenger is strong though and could definitely contest with Spark Trooper as the second 4-drop after the rider from hell. I just don't like that it slams painfully into Restoration Angel without Medical support. Nearheath Pilgrim is not useful in control matchups so it's relegated to the sideboard. Stonewright requires a heavy red commitment to be usable, as I can only generally give something +1 or +2 at best, whereas mono-red decks can easily give +3 or +4. If I want any pump spell then my default will be my all-time all-star, Rally the Peasants , but this deck just often doesn't need the boost.
Boros Reckoner is definitely good but I don't think I want it for this kind of deck because it does its best work on defense and I'm almost never playing defense. On offense it's just an unblockable 3/3 since no one would ever really want to block it because of both abilities.
I'm thinking of adding Volcanic Strength to the sideboard so I have another powerful answer to mono-red, RG, RW, and Naya aggro, as well as any 4C/5C brews that pop up. I know, I know, another crazy idea from my crazy head. Thoughts?
January 29, 2013 10:03 p.m.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/boros-aggro-29-01-13-14/ this is the deck I built. It runs very smoothly and I always seem to be able to pump my stonewright up or what its paired to at least 3
January 29, 2013 10:14 p.m.
That is a consequence of your deck being red-based. Mine is white-based, because, well, I like white significantly more than red. Also, 41% of your lands don't produce red mana and only 50% do, so your scenario is plausible but unlikely. If you have 4 lands in play, then on average you can only pump for 2.
To the general public, don't underestimate Boros Elite . It's been a monster in testing, getting in attacks for as much as 14 on turn three and it's so much better to topdeck late than Champion of the Parish . Probably the only other one-drop creature in the format I'd rather topdeck after a stall is Legion Loyalist .
January 29, 2013 10:24 p.m.
cartwheelnurd says... #11
14 on turn 3? I'd be curius as to that happened...
Or is it just three of them and then a silverblade (though that's twelve)
January 29, 2013 10:45 p.m.
Got it a few times: Champion of the Parish -> 2x Boros Elite -> Silverblade Paladin . And it even attacks for 3 on turn one, so any burn spell wins even if they sweep somehow. Pretty brutal :D
January 29, 2013 10:54 p.m.
IkeroFaron says... #13
A replacement for the Spark Trooper could possibly be Thatcher Revolt it could easily set up your Battalion and it leaves you less vulnerable to a bad mana match up.
January 30, 2013 2:19 a.m.
Erikthemighty says... #14
If removal ends up making it tough to hit battalion you could try fitting a few Pyreheart Wolf s into the 75. Undying helps ensure you have a guy, and the team wide evasion is either going to be trouble for your opponent or attract removal away from your other stronger creatures.
January 30, 2013 10:38 a.m.
SwampHippie says... #15
The reason you don't play a full set of Boros Charm is that, regardless of it being the most broken charm in standard, it sucks to have a handful of them turns 1, 2, and 3. You cant spot removal you enemy creatures and you cant fill you field for battalion both of which you NEED to do in this type of deck.
January 30, 2013 3:06 p.m.
really like the deck +1 from me. can use some advice on my Golgari deck I'm trying to build I Feed on Death and Destruction
January 31, 2013 2:48 a.m.
This has probably been asked loads but, why no Wojek Halberdiers or Gore-House Chainwalker . They're both humans and they hit hard.
January 31, 2013 9:53 a.m.
Those actually haven't been brought up, but I did consider Wojek Halberdiers when the spoiler was released. In the end it came down to whether I wanted to commit fully to Battalion or whether I wanted my cards to have strong individual power. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is more powerful and versatile because of her disruptive abilities and being able to play offense and defense very effectively, while the Halberdiers are really only strong on offense. I don't play defense often, but having enough first and double strike is extremely necessary for situations where I have to. This is also the same reason I had to cut Truefire Paladin for Thalia. I think the only situation I would rather have Halberdiers instead of Thalia is when I'm fighting through an Augur of Bolas .
As for Gore-House Chainwalker , he's basically just a worse Halberdiers excepting the non-restrictive mana cost.
January 31, 2013 10:38 a.m.
That is fair but then you could argue about Precinct Captain and Elite Inquisitor being more effective in defense and offense than Thalia.
It would be my personal opinion that Thalia is a strong sideboard card and you mainboard the super aggro. Resort to Thalia when you play a control deck. That's what I would personally do, but I understand her being in here.
January 31, 2013 10:42 a.m.
I probably would have said that 3 months ago but after being an MVP in my current deck, Knights of the Blood Oath, I decided that I absolutely had to include her here as well. I won a lot of games that I shouldn't have just by playing her on turn two and watching my opponents cringe as their entire gameplan fell to pieces.
It's certainly true that Elite Inquisitor is much better overall for offense and defense. I actually am really upset that I didn't find room for him here. With such a heavy red commitment and no Cavern of Souls , he just wouldn't work (same with Ash Zealot ).
January 31, 2013 10:53 a.m.
Spark trooper seems like a 'win more' card, as it's very vulnerable to most of the common main and side decked removal (Azorius Charm Selesnya Charm Tragic Slip ) and tapping out turn 4 doesn't seem like something your deck wants to do facing the chance of instant speed removal, or a board wipe the following turn. I feel you would be better served by leaving them in the sideboard for 2x one drops such as the aforementioned Legion Loyalist
And while it is on curve with the human sub theme, conscripts often comes down a turn to late vs opposing Aggro, but it shines vs a control matchup. Maybe move them to the sb as well?
As for replacements Wojek Halberdiers fills in the 2 drop slots on your curve, and allow you more use of your card:Slayers' Stronghold.
Hope that helps as another opinion.
January 31, 2013 1:53 p.m.
The likelihood is that I will eventually replace Spark Trooper with Boros Reckoner while reducing the number of Frontline Medic to 3 to have 4 Boros Elite but I still currently really like having a source of lifelink in the main for the aggro race. I need to see how much my meta shifts toward aggro away from the common midrangey stuff. I also wouldn't call it a "win more" card as much as "sweeper insurance" or "stall breaker." It has been great for me so far, though I admit that I have perhaps too much of a soft spot for Ball Lightning + Lightning Helix . Also, tapping out on turn 4 happens with every deck that has Hellrider , regardless of incoming sweepers. It's pretty much worth it every single time. Zealous Conscripts is a beating against midrange which has been extremely prevalent in my meta, so having them in the main is a near necessity for me. Beating someone over the head with a 3/3 haste and their 7/7 Olivia Voldaren is so, so sweet.
Wojek Halberdiers isn't needed to fill the two drop slot as I already have 14 spells at 2CMC. He was brought up as a possible replacement for my existing two drops, but Lightning Mauler is essential for Frontline Medic and Silverblade Paladin and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is very versatile and disruptive so I don't think those will change anytime soon.
January 31, 2013 2:15 p.m.
No Ash Zealot because I have no Cavern of Souls and she's too hard on the mana. She would be in over Thalia if the mana were better.
Jimhawk says... #1
I was having similar issues for the past day and was just about to change the mana base. +1 Plains -1 Mountain was what I had already settled on. I didn't adjust my mana base correctly after the removal of Truefire Paladin which was an oversight. Thanks for the suggestion AnOldEskimo!
January 29, 2013 12:25 p.m.