Hey Daedalus, I ran this versus a Nekusar wheel/burn deck and ended up dead from burn, have you looked at life gain sources in blue or red? Seems to be a major weakness for the deck

AdonaiShadowblade: Honestly, I'm not generally super worried about Nekusar (unless he has a Notion Thief or infect, bleh). I don't really run into problems with life total very often, you just want to prioritize a more controlling game against Nekusar, by bouncing or countering his cards that punish draw. But in general, if you're taking 1 damage per card, I'll take the extra draw effects in exchange for the damage. You just have to prioritize tutoring for wincons instead of wheeling to try and find them. Moreover, you can often draw enough cards to get to lethal damage on the Nekusar player only, kill him in combat, and find a non-combat wincon to deal with the rest of the table.

Or you can just outspeed him ;)

Hope that helps!

Merry Christmas Daedalus! I got some neat cards and im interested in your opinion.

Sensei's Divining Top - I want to play this card so much and wonder why You don't play it.

Mana Leak over Mystic Speculation? is the flexibility worth 5 mana? And lastly i got As Foretold. Did you try that one out?

It would be nice, if you would look over my list. Maybe you know some budget cards to swap in, to make the deck more competitive.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-8th-plague-locust-god-edh

Happy Holidays!

mightydwarf: Thank you for the holiday message and the comment!

I tried Sensei's Divining Top here and it just didn't do what I liked. I don't shuffle my deck often enough for it to "reset" the top three cards, and I often can just draw through those top 3 anyway?

I think you may be thinking of Mystic Confluence, not Mystic Speculation, which got cut a while ago ;) I'm not a fan of Mana Leak in EDH, though - while amazing in the early game, it drops in utility quickly :(

I'll take a look at your list shortly!

@Daedalus19876

Congrats on getting to 635 +1s this deck is awesome:)

upvoted for you!

This deck looks scary! Definitely don't wanna find myself going up against it. Congrats on the 600+ upvotes! Everything I thought to recommend you either already have or have used already. Rhystic Study is generally a great draw engine and I would reconsider it though.

shwanerz88: Thanks, man! I'm...considering re-adding Rhystic Study here, or perhaps Verity Circle in its slot. The issue was that my opponents always paid the 1 mana - and while the pseudo-taxing effect was nice, I really needed guaranteed card draw in that slot.

Could a simple Dispel be a viable counter to protect your infinite mana combo? also Teferi's Puzzle Box can be some neat tech too; especially with Psychic Possession .

Rhystic Study and Sphinx's Tutelage seem like they'd be good here. Purphoros, God of the Forge , Goblin Bombardment , Chasm Skulker , Outpost Siege , Impact Tremors , and Chandra, Flamecaller seem good as well.

Oh, I almost forgot about Nezahal, Primal Tide and Toothy, Imaginary Friend .

Icbrgr: I could run Dispel here, but I've generally found it to be a somewhat limited counterspell. It's not a bad card! On the other hand, I've played both Psychic Possession and Teferi's Puzzle Box here and not found either particularly useful for my strategy (since this is honestly an infinite combo deck, with the wheels theme secondary).

Ballzanya: Rhystic Study has definitely been in and out of the deck (it's very meta-dependent), but I'm not really a fan of Sphinx's Tutelage here. If I have enough card draw to make it relevant, I've already won... and it actively enabled GY decks. I've actually run Purphoros, God of the Forge , Goblin Bombardment , Impact Tremors , and Chandra, Flamecaller , and honestly they got the axe after not pulling their weight. I'm not really convinced by Chasm Skulker here (it's an inefficient wincon that can't be a sink when I have infinite mana, and doesn't work with my other combos), and Outpost Siege doesn't seem worth 4 mana here. I considered Nezahal, Primal Tide , actually! But I can't easily get him out ahead of the curve, and I want to win before turn 7 in most games :/ and Toothy, Imaginary Friend seems cute, but I'm not willing to pay 4 for his abilities.

Thank you both for your comments!

I'm just surprised that making 10,000 insect tokens with Purphoros, God of the Forge on the battlefield was underwhelming in your experience. It seems like a really good engine, especially when you also have Impact Tremors , Goblin Bombardment , and Outpost Siege (on the second mode) on the field as well. Sure, it may seem like win more, but often people have ways to stop combat damage(tap down your creatures with Cryptic Command , cast Settle the Wreckage or AEtherspouts , or Constant Mists to fog, and the direct damage could be relevant.

Have you tried using Abjure ? With TLG out and insects you can easily sac an insect for a counter :)

Ballzanya: The issue was that Purphoros proved to be unnecessary. Any time where I had generated 20 insects (ie drawn 20 cards) was one where I'd already found an infinite combo or just won through combat.

blacksh1ft: Ooh, tempting XD I'll think on it.

hey Daedalus19876 have you considered Leyline of Anticipation ? it grants everything but lands in your hand flash, meaning you can cast everything your drawing into instantly. useful for getting some of the other cards out if you draw into them with a forced discard effect and they're the only card you have in hand.

AdonaiShadowblade: I have considered it, yeah. The issue I've found is that it's a dead card when I'm comboing (or if it's not T0 honestly), and I need a critical density of draw spells/tutors/interaction to function correctly :(

true enough, the odds of first hand drawing it are slim, and if one of the infinite combo's triggers it's basically game anyway, just a suggestion though if you find yourself with an open slot for a card and no idea what to put in.

Daedalus19876 what about Isochron Scepter Plus Dramatic Reversal Plus Brain Freeze is this combo possible ?

llutul: That combo would definitely work! But since Isochron + Reversal is usually infinite mana anyway, there are often better mana sinks (like my commander in this deck).

Update: I decided that 30 lands was too low, and I've moved back to 31, inserting Inventors' Fair over Murder of Crows . The latter was a neat combo and gave marginal protection against board wipes, but was often dead in my hand (and couldn't be tutored). We'll see how this changes things, since it removed one of my potential combo lines.

How is whir of invention working for you? Great deck by the way, definitely taken a lot of inspiration from it for my own, and am fully foiling mine too haha!

zrob: Haven't gotten to cast it yet! Will let you know once I do :)

Doesn't Kindred Discovery always make you deck yourself unless you manage to stifle one of the draws? Even then attacking will make you lose. Something like Impact Tremors could just be a win condition in of itself since you'll do enough damage to wipe out your competition before you get a chance to deck yourself with your Kindred Discovery .

ShotgunCrocodile, besides Stifle, you can use Firestorm to just kill the whole table, and you have all your counterspells in hand to stop them from countering it.