How do you feel goblins are positioned now that Twin and Bloom is gone?

Neither were particularly bad matchups, however with them gone decks will be able to main deck more life gain and board wipes, so I think one would have to go with a more burn oriented strategy to have something tournament ready.

Are you familiar with the turn three goblins list thats floating around on mtgsalvation its on page 124 of the modern goblins thread. It runs chancellors of the forge and BTE as well as the new reckless bushwhacker. I thought it looked fun and plan to sleeve itup for a spin

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS! It just has all the great details it needs for a person like me who wants to play a cheep and effective tester deck against what I own already, MONO GREEN STOMPY! I have a decklist on my page of that deck, Go Goblins!

If you don't mind me asking,where is the Token List?

Do a more complete list of cards with general value!what's the ratting for Goblin Piledriver (3.5? 4? 4.5?)?I want Rabblemaster, Goblin King & Krenko, Mob Boss in that list!Could you consider a list of good lands to remember when doing our deck?If yes, give them a value too (I personally LOVE the Mutavault, but I have a hard time no getting impeded/slowed by it)!

Sorry : first real comment ... might have been overboard... but overboard is cooler than sideboard!

@louisjrt I'm not OP, but Piledriver is kind if hard to rate. In a meta of Jund, Tron, and BW Tokens Piledriver is pretty bad. It's an X/2 that dies to everything. But in a meta of Fish, Delver, and Geist I'd give it 4-5 stars. It blocks all day, or can swing for the rafters by turn 4.

Goblin King is a worse Chieftain. The extra +1/+1 is very nice, but the mountainwalk can be useless in a lot of games. It does have a cute interaction with Blood Moon though which could win the game it it hits the board.

Rabblemaster is a little to slow for this deck; And there's a good chance it just gets removed before it does anything. 3 mana is the top of the goblin curve and you really want to be near victory after you use it. Rabble doesn't do anything when it's cast. At most, it makes a token that turn.

Krenko is like Rabbles. Just a little to slow for modern. 4 mana is a lot, and it could just die before it taps.

I'm going to do a formatting overhaul lTer today - it looks like the token list was taken down, and I'll add a list of all playable cards with ratings :)

I was about to comment until this xD.Is it possible to find a decent Token list?I'd like to look at it so I can get ideas for Goblin Token Aggro.Yeah,I could do it myself,but it would be better if the right one was found by the person(you)who made the primer xD.

Ok guys! I hope you enjoy the current version - I'll work on it more later.

Thank you so much for putting up a token list!

You know, I've been thinking of putting together goblins... I've actually been pondering a list that runs mainboard Blood Moon. Which would make Goblin King really fun, but he still sits in an awkward place in the curve.

What are your thoughts on running hand disruption to deprive opponents of answers?

I'm not Rorofat, but hand disruption in goblins is a bad idea. Reid Duke wrote an article a few years back about Thoughtseize and what decks it belongs in. Somewhere he addresses why hand disruption is a bad idea in an aggro deck such as Goblins. I'll leave the other part of your question to Rorofat.

It's not the worst idea, but I personally would avoid it. Unless you're playing some weird BR goblins midrange (which I'm going to put together a list for later today) - then it could be good.

That's actually one of the ideas I was thinking of trying and where I'd put the card in, rorofat. Goblins feels a little too slow to keep up with a lot of decks otherwise. It seems way too soft to sweepers. You clearly know the deck better than I do, though.

'Slow' isn't something I'd label goblins as - it's somewhat weak to eldrazi (I'll have more results around that later tonight, as my friend is going to come over and test proxied eldrazi against it), as eldrazi can get bigger creatures out faster, but it's speed is easily that of burn, if not faster.

However I think a more midrange list could be very good too - I'll get that list up tonight as well (my friend is as much a goblin fanatic as me)

Regarding sweepers - I think that that's where goblins becomes worse than burn. On the upside, once you begin playing RG goblins your world gets a LOT better - your main deck gets to include 12 burn spells instead of 8 (Atarka's Command), and the slow route with Collected Company (or maybe just put CoCo in the SB) makes recovering a piece of cake.

Have you thought about Reckless Bushwacker in conjunction with zero-drops or cards with Phyrexian mana, like Gut Shot?

I'll be adding a reckless list soon :) it also works well with Burning-Tree Emissary, though it isn't a goblin...

I wouldn't call it slow, but it looked to me like it'd often be a turn slower than burn. I may just not be seeing the line of play that lets it win as quickly, barring repeated Goblin Grenades.

RG does seem better. Command is awesome, Company is awesome if you actually get to cast it; I don't know how reliably one can expect to do so since this deck doesn't ramp like most lists I've seen running it. I'd be interested to know.

I'm still interested what you think about maindecking Blood Moon to punish opposing mana bases. I've seen goblin players do this before, and it was hilarious

Goblinslide is a great support card!

And thanks for linking to your primer! I'll add it to my folder!

Thanks for designing this primer to help! I made a goblin deck for modern, and though it performs OK, I know it needs work. I was wondering if you would consider checking it out? Thank you in advance.

Link: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-goblin-militia/

Hey I saw your post and it's awesome, what can you tell about playing a token list deck using Impact Tremors and/or Purphoros, God of the Forge with things like Goblin Rabblemaster, Krenko, Mob Boss?? with all 2drop guys placing tokens and the engine guys can do something, no?or adding a Obelisk of Urd it can be slow but if paired with burn and 1drop buddies... what can you say?

Hey there, I see that the primer hasn't been updated in a while, and I think there is some things you might want to add.

First off, the variant of Goblins known as Gobots, with my list here: Gobots the Peoples. It's a more explosive variant of the archetype that can win on turn 3 (even without any damage being taken by the opponent, and a creature in the way). Thought you should add a description on that.

You might also want to add a section on 8-Whack, as that usually is the intro most people get into Goblins. It's also the most popular budget variant. Thought it would be worth a mention.

The Aether Vial variant would be a good addition too (usually a BR version looking to go a bit bigger, and use Aether Vial very similar to how you use it in the Legacy version). I'm not well versed in that one, unfortunately.

Your sideboard section also needs some updating (I think you know that). Tormod's Crypt is one of the best I have found for Dredge, and other such graveyard strategies. It's also great with Reckless Bushwhacker! Everlasting Torment is one of my favorite additions to the sideboard that I think would be worth a mention. It's been awesome for me.

If you need any help updating it or anything, just let me know!