Any other ETB creature ideas within black or white?

Gatekeeper of Malakir

Grave Titan

Glimmerpoint Stag

Iona, Shield of Emeria

Kor Sanctifiers

Lone Missionary

Razor Hippogriff

the gatekeeper needs to be kicked. I don't see another reason to run him.

Iona, would be interesting, but it is so mana cost heavy.

Grave titan would be great if I wanted to spend the $$$. I will put it on a wish list. It would wreck in this deck.

I'm thinking of adding Memoricide to the sideboard.

How many should I add? I was thinking 3, but I could certainly add 4 if it seemed warranted. I'm always uncertain with sideboards when to run full playsets and when to run random cards to fill in.

Thoughts?

I think before FNM this week I will MB the hexmages, and sideboard the War Priests.

Thoughts?

i thing that war priest SHOULD be in sideboard permanently, but i agree with that hexmages in the main board

if you want to keep this standard remove the O-ring from your SB. personally i think you shoul run 3 inquisition of kozilek mainboard and 3 duress sideboard which you can swap against control decks and if you do sideboard memoricide i think 2 or 3 will be plenty to do what you want them to.

Whoops! How'd that little thing get in my sideboard?? That's not very good housekeeping.

The IoK is a good idea. I'm coming around on them over duress. Duress is just such a good old friend. I like having it.

Memoricide could be good too. More to ponder.

I took the advice of the IoK, and I seem to find that it is a superior build with it.

I am thinking of adding such cards from Mirrodin Besieged as:

Massacre Wurm , card:Black Sun's Zenith, Phyrexian Revoker

Thoughts? Positive ideas? Negative ideas?

I think I may permanently sideboard Revoke Existence as well instead of having the war priest. I may also permanently take the Sunblast Angel s out of the sideboard as well as I rarely side them in.

Any thoughts as to something better to replace them with? Does not even have to be a creature. Just something that synergizes well with the deck and maybe meets a specific need against a troublesome archetype.

This looks fun.

I think that Black Sun's zenith may be ok, but I think it's probably not really necessary for the deck. Revoker might not be a bad choice for the sideboard in exchange for your sunblast angel.

I like Painful Quandary for how it stalls the other deck and truly makes your opponent get irritated lol. It's a thought, but I can't see anything in the deck that sticks out to me as able to come out.

Mimic vat is awesome in this deck and just wreaks havoc with your opponent especially planeswalkers with vampire hexmage while it also doubles as a defense against infect.

Massacre wurm is sweet but again not sure what you'd do to take it out, maybe sun titan?

Anyway very cool deck. +1

Funny that you mention the BSZ. I played it this weekend, and was totally sold on it. I think I will try to run at least two copies of it. I may go three DoJ and two BSZ. The Massacre Wurm I also tested this weekend and it does great. I will probably use as a sideboard when I get a second copy.

It did backfire when I played against a G/W mimic vat deck which stole my Massacre Wurm and killed me with it.

The Revokers are a great sideboard I think.

I agree. The sunblasts can go away. I never side them in anyway. ha.

I have 2 copies of the Painful Quandary. I think I will bring them along next time I play and side them in a game for testing. It sounds pretty wicked...too bad they have 5cmc. They don't fit the recycling theme of the deck well, but it could still work!

I have a soft spot for Painful Quandary , and it does do a good job of putting opponents in a...well, quandary, but I don't know that it's right for this deck. By the time you're rolling out 5 mana I think you're going to have other things you want to spend it on, like more Vat activations. And a canny opponent will know when paying 5 life to avoid the disruption is worthwhile, or keep throwaway lands in hand to satiate the Quandary.

Not that it can't throw an opponent off their game, and 5 life is a decent chunk. If it works for you, great - I like the card a lot in a vacuum.. But I think it's too expensive and not actively threatening enough to have the edge for competitive Standard.

I am inclined to agree. The reasoning is sound to be sure.

That being said, I will take the deck to my casual play group tomorrow night and try to board it in during a game to see if it causes havoc.

It may be fun to try, but surely not something that will make my deck more competitive long-term.

Thanks for the voice of reason.

This is a sweet deck. If I wasn't going for Infect, I would probably tweak mine, since you have a lot of good cards going on in here.

You asked about ETB, the only one I can offer is Wall of Omens, though it may have been cut already, no?

Yes. You are correct. Wall of omens was in my original build for this deck. I truncated my creatures at one point for more control and it got cut. The only thing I could see swapping out for the wall of omens would be vampire nighthawk! How crazy does that sound?

Although it would potentially have better synergy...

Constructive criticism is appreciated.

My current biggest dilemma. How do I make my deck more viable against someone else playing mimic vats? Currently I would always get second choice as I have no instant kill ability.

I thought about Consume the Meek but it is more limiting than card:Black Sun's Zenith and only destroys, where zenith is negative counters. i prefer the power over the instant-speed and the limit to 3cmc.

Brainstorm!

Well, you could board in the Go for the Throat s and Ratchet Bomb s in game 2 against a Mimic Matchup. Or pack some Divine Offering s into there to destroy their Vat.

White doesn't have many good destroy options in standard, but there's Choking Fumes which would stack well with the BSZ.

(On that note, have you considered sliding a proliferate engine into here? I don't know where exactly it'd fit, or that it would fit at all - but a Clasp or Engine mixed with a BSZ could be pretty brutal, and help make a BSZ more one-sided than it is.)

Revoke Existence work on getting rid of artifacts, its what I use in my sideboard for Still My Turn (Updated). I'd definitely go black kills spells over most of them though. Actually looking through the deck a bit more I'd probably say remove journey to nowhere for 4 black kill spells like go for the throat or doom blade. It has better synergy with mimic vat.

So...you guys think my sideboard covers my need adequately? Should I try Divine offering over revoke existence?

Should I keep 4 go for the throats or keep 2 and add 2x doom blade?

Thanks for the feedback.

Choking fumes seems like a boom or bust card.

I think I have to actually play with it, and I'm terrified to give it a shot.

It seems nice because the counters stick, but if it doesn't kill outright I need BSZ or proliferating to finish.

stick with revoke existence, it works on enchantments too where divine offering doesn't.

Choking fumes, while not outright killing something, it severely weakens your opponent, still may be worth playing with.

Yeah, I'm not completely sold on Fumes, but I think it's worth exploring in the right deck. "Boom or bust" is probably a good description. It would feel unpleasant to have it in your hand if they're only attacking with one or two big creatures, but against aggro decks it could probably be killer. So, good versus Boros and Kuldotha Red, bad versus control's titan suite. (Can still take care of those damn Hawks though...)

Revoke Existence is probably a better sideboard card simply because, as [[rckclimber777] pointed out, it's more versatile. Divine Offering 's edge is the instant-speed, but it's up to you if that's worth the lack of enchantment removal. There's not a huge amount of enchantments being played in standard right now, anyhow, but I don't know about your casual meta.

love this deck! +1. not sure about how to combat other vat decks other than the revokers. I guess if you wanted to stop your opponent from putting their own creatures on their vat you could use Leyline of the Void so they never get the oppertunity.

That's a very good idea...though they would still be able to use my creatures if they had a vat and a creature died on my turn! haha

I will think about sideboarding that a bit. I had never thought of it.

Leyline of the void was always a mill card helper, I never thought of it as defensive until now.

+1

I think I am going to proxy this out and see how it plays with my R&D team. I like your ideas so far.