zyphermage says... #2
Well you keep asking about those 3 cards but you can tell the pros and cons of each just from looking. smallpox and innocent blood do not target. innocent blood costs 1 instead of 2. smallpox also discards and hits lands but also hits your own stuff. The only benefit to victim of night is that it is an instant and in some corner cases it does not hit certain creatures. I already told you that I would use smallpox. But in a legacy mono black build you'd probably run both smallpox and innocent blood. In modern you would use both the others since there is no innocent blood but in legacy. You aren't trying to be in either format either so it is hard to say why bother mentioning the format. In a casual setting you would run the best which would be innocent blood since it is cheaper and does not target. Smallpox should be used if you have synergy with certain cards to be discarding or have ways to replay your lands.
December 9, 2015 12:38 a.m.
Thanks. I wanted to read external opinions and points of view; I have my own, and I haven't decided on the matter due to a lack of time to test all the combinations.
Thanks again.
December 9, 2015 12:50 a.m. Edited.
the5ervant says... #10
With so few creatures Tainted AEther can keep the pressure up alongside Painful Quandary. Also, why not include Waste Not for more value from discards?
January 12, 2016 11:22 a.m.
miracleHat says... #11
I have a query about your 'perfect strategy'. Please explain how:
turn 1 dark rit. -> inquisition -> hymn to tourach
turn 2 Sign in Blood
turn 3 Victim of Night -> Shrieking Affliction
Is not perfect? Turn 3 could also be spent in any number of ways...
March 16, 2016 3:57 a.m.
Yes! I'm sorry about that, I haven't updated the descriptions of the decks lately. But yes, the actual perfect run goes similar to what you propose! Thanks for reminding me !
March 16, 2016 8:26 a.m.
So are you gunna consider Asylum Visitor when it comes out?
March 23, 2016 3:23 a.m.
oldbatman: I considered it... it's a good choice but it's kind of pricey. 3x Asylum Visitor instead of 4x Sign in Blood? Yes. Maybe an option. Also Phyrexian Arena is an option... but $$$.
joebrannan1: Let them onions weep over their loss! Thnks dude.
dr.tubz0704: Megrim is Slow... and more expensive than Liliana's Caress which was cut out of the deck 2 or 3 years ago. Now with Dark Ritual there might be an option to play Liliana's Caress in an effective fashion... but it is not of my taste anymore. Also Megrim involves damage-dealing, and the Caress is life loss ;)
April 27, 2016 6:52 a.m.
@FAGGOTUS-REX I know. I lie, that's my thing hahaha.
Although I still don't buy the last rack, the deck is pretty well balanced in this particular way. The Rack that's missing could occupy the slot of 1x Sign in Blood or of 1x Swamp
Cheers!
May 21, 2016 9:01 a.m. Edited.
CapnEuthanize says... #18
Toughtsieze is better than Inquisition of Kozilek and Blackmail in legacy. Liliana of the veil is necessary in a rack deck, you should run at least eight rack effects. Painful quandary costs too much mana to be viable. Use ensnaring bridge to deal with creature swarms and don't use dark ritual, you don't need your deck to accelerate mana with dark ritual, the cost of loosing the card in your hand isn't worth the mana and it is a useless topdeck.
June 10, 2016 11:39 a.m.
CapnEuthanize thanks for the info.
Oh, and First use the deck before telling me (or ordering me) what is best in the particular case and in the meta that build plays.
Also most of the cards (which you didn't even bothered to link), are kinda expensive. And if I run 7 racks instead of 8, maybe it's for a reason, isn't it?
Cheers, and thanks for passing by.
June 10, 2016 11:56 a.m.
- Zigguratut: Smallpox can replace Hypnotic Specter to make a build that's creatureless. I tried it but... not of my taste after all. The card discard and land sacrifice hurts the pilot usually more than the opponent.
That's my take on it, at least :)
July 19, 2016 3:04 p.m.
- CrazyGood-MTG9797: Thanks for the love and the +1, glad you liked the deck!
August 6, 2016 11:41 a.m.
- asdfety123: Once you get your opponent to 0-1 cards in hand, extra discard is pretty useless, and you have control measures as Victim of Night or Geth's Verdict in case they manage to do something.
You could use Wrench Mind in lieu of Hymn to Tourach, considering the first is much more budget friendly.
Cheers!
Busse says... #1
I used to run 3x Nezumi Shortfang turning this into a kind of 12-rack deck. Also Sewer Nemesis was here for a short time too. Nyxathid was recently put out of the equation because it cannot act early, and most of the times he sits idle... making psych-pressure, but idle. Hypnotic Specter was in the original brew, out for years and now it returned thanks to the Dark Ritual I chose to add. Being forcefully Legacy thanks to Hymn to Tourach made the incorporation of DR much easier.
I still have to test the specter in harsh conditions, and I'll update accordingly. A turn 1 specter looks very promising, specially if I can go aggresive on turn 2:
I am reluctant to add Dakmor Salvage, specially when I CAN discard some Swamps during the late game. I see everybody running Discard decks running Dakmor Salvage, but that doesn't mean it's the right way... and adding a draw engine assures me that I'll always have something else to do, be that playing a sorcery or getting a Land to discard and activate a graveyard'ed Raven's Crime. Don't know, doesn't seem right to me hahahh
Opinions on creature control? Victim of Night over Smallpox or Innocent Blood ?
November 25, 2015 11:10 a.m.