I like this deck a lot, but I don't like Elvish mystic too much.
Ramping doesn't do much in this deck, and the swamp mana is much more important early then green mana. Anything it enables you to ramp to isn't all that useful early. All it does is limit your early game options for a worse DRS mid-late game.
Lemme go over some scenerios you CAN"T do with Mystic, even if it was good.
You can't play a turn 2 Lotleth troll with a regen up. You played a forest for Elvish, and you play a swamp turn two...if you play lotleth you'll be forced to leave the green up. Rubbish.
Even if you did do that...if you played another swamp the next turn, and ramped up to a bestowed Nighthowler or a Jarad on turn 3. Even if this was possible, What good does that do you? Not much.
Elvish is not even a good bestow target, it doesn't do anything besides being a disposible body, which you have Wayfinder for now.
I would take out Elvish mystic for 2 mainboard decays and 2 Valroz the scar-striped
Then I would put two Golgari Charms in the side to replace the decays, because they are way too good not to have anywhere.
Once you get over 6-7 creatures in your grave, you're just winning more, and if you scavenge counters onto a troll with a nighthowler on it, that does more then the one creature in the grave did on it's own.
Best case scenerio with Elvish mystic is it lets you keep less land. Ramping into something that does give you land.
March 22, 2014 12:57 p.m.
Updated the list once again. Strength from the Fallen combos really well with Pharika, God of Affliction and Nyx Weaver . Finally having the temple is super-sweet. I'm really psyched right now and can't wait for tomorrow!
May 23, 2014 4:59 p.m.
I understand the reasoning behind Commune with the Gods over Grisly Salvage , but I've actually found Salvage's being an Instant incredibly helpful in some games. Maybe after you SB you leave GB open to bluff an Abrupt Decay and then cast Salvage EOT so you didn't waste any mana, maybe you won't do lethal damage with your Nighthowler and you cast salvage to see if you hit any creatures ftw.
Just sayin. Like I said I get why CwtG is in there, but I still think Salvage might be good in this deck.
May 24, 2014 4:43 a.m.
@ ElPared
I had Grisly Salvage before. But before JOU there was no Strength from the Fallen in this deck. Also CwtG only costs 1G, so I can open with Forest / Mystic and play a Scry-land on T2 in addition to get the dredge going. I played Gameday today with this exact 75. I never missed Salvage. Maybe you play 3 CwtG and 1 Salvage but that sounds wrong.
There are definitely some changes I would make: Take out Deathrite Shaman , he is definitely one of the weaker spots in this deck (as absurd as it might sound). I think I will try some number of Gnarled Scarhide s in his place and maybe add a 22nd land.
As for the sideboard, I will definitely cut Mistcutter Hydra and add Doom Blade and 1 Ultimate Price . I learned the hard way today, that removal is essential against Devotion based decks.
If you're curious: I went 4-1 made Top8 as 2nd seat and lost in the first round of Top8 2-0 against Mono Red Devotion (he had the nuts twice, I kept a loose hand G2, lost deservedly for not mulliganning more aggressive). In the swiss rounds I beat U/W aggro 2-0, Naya Hexproof 2-0 (Golgari Charm is a bomb!), Esper Control 2-1 and B/W aggro 2-1. I lost against Mono Green Devotion (he had absurd draws) 2-0.
I was really impressed by how much damage you can deal out of nowhere. My U/W opponent was on 21 life G1, and I killed him in one sweep with double Strength from the Fallen (3 triggers do add up!). All in all I must say, that I will follow this strategy further, it was real fun to play and I haven't seen another copy of it for today's Game-Day.
May 24, 2014 12:01 p.m.
NerdPounder says... #6
Doom Blade or Hero's Downfall might just be better than Drown in Filth
May 24, 2014 12:12 p.m.
thanks for the suggestion. It would be nice if you'd read the comments. I already said, that I will change the board and add Doom Blade and Ultimate Price .
May 24, 2014 12:20 p.m.
aceofbass99 says... #8
Personally, I disagree with the use of Gnarled Scarhide . A 2/1 that can't block is kinda meh, and the bestow doesn't help matters much. Instead, I think you should run a playset of Deathrite Shaman , as they are the best one-drop in standard.
May 28, 2014 9:22 p.m.
aceofbass99 says... #9
Possibly -1 Shadowborn Demon -1 Nylea, God of the Hunt +1 Whip of Erebos +1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord because Shadowborn Demon is too big of a drop to run a playset of and Nylea is lacking because all of the wincon creatures (except Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord ) already have trample/flying, so Nylea's trample isn't very useful. Also, it is hard to get to five green devotion. Lifelink from Whip of Erebos , however, is very useful, and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord is a powerhouse that can sack huge other creatures (especially after Strength from the Fallen ) to win the game.
May 28, 2014 9:32 p.m.
They problem with Jarad and Whip is: they suck really hard in multiples.
Nylea isn't primarily in the deck to get her as a beater, rather to give my non-evasive non-trampling creatures a way to push through the huge damage-boost they get from Strength from the Fallen . That way I can turn any creature into a win-con.
Demon is basically only bad against Esper and mediocre against Mono-Black-Devotion. However, he is really good against monsters, other devotion strategies and the likes. It's a meta-call for me. I don't have that many esper & mbd-players in my LGS, so I think it's fine to play 4.
May 30, 2014 2:02 a.m.
aceofbass99 says... #11
Possibly remove Gnarled Scarhide ? Adding two more Nighthowler might be a good idea.
cerealkyra says... #1
I modified my Lotleth Troll deck upon seeing this deck and its lead to some great results so far, so thank you. Satyr Wayfinder really gives a nice boost. +1'd and all that.
UnifiedTheory17, they work amazingly well together with the rest of the deck, why would you not want chocolate on your peanut butter?
March 16, 2014 3:15 a.m.