Timely Horde, Untimely Demise (FNM 1st place)
Standard*
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magnetcrocodile says... #2
Solid deck all around. +1 from me
But no Secure the Wastes though? Even with no mass pump on your side, a flexible token generator is always appreciated
Also even if it's not a warrior, Knight of the White Orchid is almost a shoe-in in a monowhite deck
Hope that helps
November 9, 2015 9:03 a.m.
@magnetcrocodile aah, Secure the Wastes.. yes you are right, it does deserve to fit here for mana and card efficiency, instant speed creatures and mana sinking purposes.. Will not do 4 but a 3 may do.. Will configure the deck to fit it again.. Thanks
Oh yes I'm sure as well about Knight of the White Orchid doing well in the deck.. Just need a way to fit it nicely without losing the careful ratio between warrior and non warrior peeps..
November 9, 2015 11:40 a.m.
CrovaxTheCursed says... #4
Awesome budget deck! +1 from me. I might sleeve this up and do Standard on Friday for once lol.
November 10, 2015 10:18 a.m.
@CrovaxTheCursed thanks for the compliment.. Yes it is nice budget deck to play with.. There are several things to remember before putting it to broiler though:
It's straightforward but it still needs practice to master.. Know to prioritize when to play a card over the other (e.g Consul's Lieutenant vs Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit) When to withheld a creature drop or not.. When to block.. What to bait to recur.. When to save mana for combat tricks.. When to keep a hand.. When to mulligan.. Etc.. Etc.. Etc.. Decks are like cars you know, you need to get the hang of it for optimal use.. Hehehe
The deck has the same white weenie weaknesses like other decks.. Luckily, the card selection and even the tweaked curve is there to lessen/eliminate it.. Furthermore, changing playstyle often helps when I know I'm against an enemy that can exploit it.. Just remember, the deck is not meant to win all games but it's prepared to win most of it..
Lastly, the deck even has some mainboard slots you can adjust before the tourney to coincide with the environment.. For me (you can have your own) I treat 5-6 slots here as flexible namely any one 4 drop slot, the Stasis Snares slots and 2-3 instant slots.. Just don't forget to make sure that whatever you change it to is still something you already got used to..
Well good luck playing it and above all else, have fun..
November 10, 2015 8:33 p.m.
Since you are mono color I would like to recommend Rogue's Passage I feel by running 2 copies of this land you will have a land drop that will not likely interfere with your casts too often and will grant you the ability to sneak a creatures through when you need to get that little bit of damage (or a lot since Citadel Siege).
As for space for your Knight of the White Orchid I think you could pull out 1 copy of a couple cards out since I don't think you need 4 copies of the following cards:
Consul's Lieutenant: This card is not a warrior and yes his ability is good you still have to get it through to make use of. Until you manage to put the Secure the Wastes in the deck I don't think you need this cards as much
Timely Hordemate: Yes he is a warrior and can recover a warrior. Only issue is that you have to make an attack to do so. If you are behind and try to play this card to recover a creature you will likely be foddering something off with no real gain. Still a useful card for your deck but not warranting 4 copies.
Seeker of the Way: With how few none creature spells you are running I believe you have a hard time triggering his prowess. For that reason I believe swapping 1 copy to the knight may be favorable to you.
Plains: That is right, I suggest you go one land lighter in this deck to make room for the guy that when you play him will go and fetch you a land. With 22 lands I still feel you will likely draw plenty of lands to play all those ow cost creatures. But I warn you that some people think I am a little crazy since I play my B/W warriors with only 20 lands (decks Avg mana cost is 2.1)
November 12, 2015 5:52 a.m.
@razelfark will do with a non-basic like Rogue's Passage on the next iteration of the deck in fact it can even fit Sandstone Bridge when testing it casually.. So it would definitely fit here without hassle..
About Knight of the White Orchid, I may opt 1 land and a Seeker of the Way for him.. Trust me on Timely Hordemate being strong with 4 copies.. This card the reason why I'm not worried about no sinks and a long game.. And any good deck would definitely kill at least 1 creature by 4th turn making his drop inevitable even on an advantage.. He may look weak in paper but I have tested him to be strong in-game.. Adding cards like Secure the Wastes mqy lessen the need to 4 off him though..
November 12, 2015 6:52 a.m.
Silverboy101 says... #8
I think mono white has very specific types of decks. Lifegain, Weenies, Voltron. You have managed to have lifegain in a weenie (Mardu Woe-Reaper)and with this many creatures voltron can get stuffed. Great deck!
November 14, 2015 3:16 a.m.
@Silverboy101 Hehehe well the average lifegain I get from Mardu Woe-Reaper is not that high on some matchups but eliminating creature's recursion with him is amazing there instead..
It eliminated any solid creatures Den Protector can return in my matches versus Abzan and Morph deck, it removes Deathmist Raptor that I encountered with the Temur one and it lessens the delve cards the enemy may use.. It even made the 4 color rally deck obsolete against me making him exile 4 whopping creatures on the second game.. Of course he is killing it but his ETB trigger with Timely Hordemate is enough to disrupt his plans.. People often do not expect graveyard disruption nowadays so he is quite a suprise.. Of course you cannot remove non-creatures still but just getting that small edge let me keep ahead in the creature count..
The part where life gain becomes crucial is against fellow fast decks like Atarka aggro where I use Surge of Righteousness as well.. It allows me to stay on the offensive with him around.. Gaining at least 2-3 life with him is no joke in these kinds of matchups..
Just want to ask about something though, what do you mean by "Voltron" exactly? I imagine it as the concept of having several components that gets stronger as they work together like this deck but please correct me if I'm wrong..
November 14, 2015 4:55 a.m.
Oh additonal info, Seeker of the Way is more of the lifegainer than Mardu Woe-Reaper. Anyway, here are stuff I am planning to fit in this deck before next friday (which I already know how to)..
4 Chief of the Edge 4 Blood-Chin Rager 2 Raiders' Spoils 3 Secure the Wastes 2 Harsh Sustenance
Will NOT add Bloodsoaked Champion yet.. this will keep the deck predominantly white for me not to worry about mana fixing too much for now (coz i just need just 1 black mana by second turn allowing Arashin Foremost to sit comfortably on the 3rd turn slot).. Of course there is ton more i wanna fit in but.. I may not have enough time to get the hang of it that fast.. For now they would do..
November 14, 2015 5:28 a.m.
A warrior to consider for side deck or even main since it hits at least 1 target vs most decks Hidden Dragonslayer. While this card might seem slow to morph and flip, I have had good success from him when games gt dragged out and you need not only a kill spell but a creature as well. He also doubles as a decent aggressor early that gets you health back because lifelink default. The synergy with warrior theme makes him worth while play.
Compiling my W/B warrior deck in case you want reference to what I run since you mentioned adding the black. Will post later.
November 14, 2015 10:23 a.m.
@razelfark Hidden Dragonslayer ei? yeah he is pretty helpful but never find a need for him at all in any game I had.. Will still keep the said card in mind though..
Anyway, currently playtesting the B/W one at MTGO and honestly it's harder than I thought.. Making an aggro play consistently with 2 sets of white 1 drops, then Blood-Chin Rager Chief of the Edge next then still expecting cards like Arashin Foremost to be usable ASAP is hard without the fetch lands and the pain lands as well.. I'm currently contemplating to either the whole black splashing (if I can still call adding 12-16 black cards as such, hehehe) or just add Secure the Wastes and Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip on the fray.. the first option is a tedious but cheap overhaul while the other is easy but kinda pricey boost (+$10 in the deck?).. Testing both lead me to lean towards the second one.. Will still test further this day off given what little time I have..
November 14, 2015 11 a.m.
Silverboy101 says... #13
@minorokt, "Voltron" is a strategy where all your resources are used on one creature, like putting 3-4 auras and some equipment on a card like Graceblade Artisan. The reason I mentioned it is because although Voltron can get thru big beaters and win in a one shot kill, your aggro swarm of little guys does the job much better! +1
November 14, 2015 6:45 p.m.
This is what I currently run for B/W warriors. I know it still needs some work but I think you might be able to get some decent ideas from this. The deck has proven itself at FNM getting to 3 a couple times. I would suggest putting Blood-Chin Rager at 4 unlike what is currently my deck concept because i just haven't picked them up yet.
November 14, 2015 8:05 p.m.
Updated deck and info would appear above.. Comments, violent reactions, and suggestions of course are welcome
November 18, 2015 8:08 a.m.
@JakeHarlow thanks.. I also would to thank you again when you helped me before in the forums.. Please give me any input for this deck if you have.. Thanks
November 20, 2015 4:08 a.m.
imagnuson501 says... #18
This deck looks great! Budget friendly, and no fetches or Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip. Great job!
November 21, 2015 1:14 a.m.
Thanks.. The deck doesn't need fetches nor will it ever have overly expensive plainswalkers.. If ever you would add any of those, it will just be meant to improve it like with Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Luckily this deck also gives room for a cheap but strong alternatives to improve deck like Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip and Archangel of Tithes.. The deck has room to improve but still remain at budget..
November 21, 2015 4:28 a.m.
chemicals23 says... #20
Hay im about to make this deck for a friend thanks for the list.
Sandstone Bridge any good?
November 23, 2015 5:36 a.m.
@chemicals23.. Glad to here that! Please do share your exploits with your friend and the deck if possible okie? Getting feedback like that would be quite invaluable in improving the deck..
About Sandstone Bridge well I was able to test it adequately and it turned out slightly off putting when you add it on an aggro deck.. When I tried to use it in my last 23 land iteration I was expecting that it will lessen getting dead lands later in the game.. Ironically, getting them too early more often prevented me to play on curve. Thus, prolonging the game leading to a higher tendency to trigger mana flooding, the thing it was trying to lessen in the first place.. So what I did is just eliminated 1 land, added mana sinks like Rogue's Passage and Secure the Wastes, and tweaked the deck further to capitalize on the speed..
Again, good luck to you and your friend with the deck.. Godspeed..
November 24, 2015 5:42 a.m.
chemicals23 says... #22
hay man how was your FNM?
My buddy said he would play well with Kytheon's Irregulars, i dont know if its for every one but he screwed over some games with those guys. still got 1 pack so not to good but had fun.
here is what im running, i been updating it, fell free to drop bye.
December 5, 2015 7:48 a.m.
Hi chemicals23 sorry am unable to update this deck for now as I'm busy this holiday season and one of my buddies bought me a commander 2013 deck to try commander as well that I am starting to enjoy nowadays.. I a will play this deck soon again.. Will post results whenever.. Thanks for the heads up though.. Peace
minorokt says... #1
obligatory comment:
I wanna mention here the current state of the deck.
Currently contemplating to go out of the cheapskate cocoon and go back to my old non-budget ways starting with 2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar replacing 2 Citadel Siege.. Buying just 1 of them will up the power level of this deck SUBSTANTIALLY especially when I tested it in the MTGO of my friend.. Sad to say, not an easy decision to add 1-2 cards worth the price of the ENTIRE DECK, EACH.. another said card I wanna add is Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip but its the same issue altogether albeit not to impacting on the deck's power level..
Wanna add Knight of the White Orchid back in the deck.. It's one of the best cards I can have in both ensuring 4+ mana on the 4th turn and returning back into the game but I am hesitant as he is a non-warrior and it will greatly affect Arashin Foremost ETB ability..
Still wanna try Elite Scaleguard in all of this mess but it will turn the deck into a midrange deck which would require a huge makeover
Wanna splash a color like black or green but this would take some time, a lot of time..
Will play with the same deck 2 weeks from now as I am needed at work this coming week. But with my laptop in my office it's easy to monitor any comments and suggestions so fire way..
November 7, 2015 11:54 a.m.