WUBRG97: Hmmm. If I were trying to tone down the power level, I'd add a few of my older favorite cards back in: Parallel Lives, Garruk Relentless  ^Flip, Archfiend of Ifnir, Survival of the Fittest... But I'm probably not going to make an explicit separate list with these changes. I will say that I've never been a fan of Blowfly Infestation here; it causes Problems and is often a dead card. I have easier-to-tutor-for combos :)

skeletonkey8: The only real cards I'd add if I had infinite money are Bayou, the rest of the fetches, maybe Chains of Mephistopheles or Living Plane? Plus foiling more things, of course ;)

Survival of the Fittest is a very strong and competitive card tho :v

OptimalGreen: Yeah, but I was never really able to leverage it properly (I don't run enough reanimation to really break it, and I have few enough creatures here that I often drew it without fuel to discard)...

Hey! Awesome deck and primer. This has helped me a lot with creating my own; power curve is a tad lower, but it's still fairly strong (no Cradle, Earthcraft, moxs).

First question: Why use Soul Snuffers over Harbinger of Night? I assume Harbinger is too slow and going to hurt our own boardstate? I figured with Ivy Lane Denizen out it would be worth it. Would you recommend the swap in a slower/lower powered meta?

Second question: I currently run Carnifex Demon, but have a similar issue as I described above. It does tend to work well, but if I don't have Ivy I can kiss my dorks and Hapatra good-bye. Would you recommend keeping Carnifex and are there any cards you'd recommend I pair with him to help keep my creatures around?

Thanks!

moldycrow83: I prefer Soul Snuffers to Harbinger because it's both more immediate and more controllable. I used to run Harbinger, but there were far too many times where it actually harmed me more than it helped me. In a slower meta, I think Carnifex Demon actually fulfills that role best, as you said (I've considered putting him back in, actually).

If you're concerned about losing all of your creatures to a Carnifex activation, the best solution (apart from Ivy Lane, who's awesome) might be effects like Gaea's Anthem that give you a static toughness boost -- these also combo nicely with Yawgmoth, making them good additions to the deck in multiple ways. I'm currently running two of these (Spidersilk Armor and Eldrazi Monument), and Leyline of Vitality would be my go-to for a third.

(Note that even if you have Ivy Lane Denizen, any creature with 1 toughness will die before you can put +1 counters on it to save it.)

Hope this helps! Glad you appreciate my deck :D

I'd probably drop a land for Champion of Lambholt you have a bunch of ramp. Also, why no Blowfly Infestation?

Squirrel_of_War: Honestly? Blowfly just... didn't work right for me.

I ran it for a long time, but it was always awkward -- hard to tutor (since most of my tutors search for creatures), doesn't do anything without a way to profit (Nest of Scarabs, Zulaport Cutthroat, etc), and requires having two 1-toughness creatures when it starts (so it can't be done off an empty board state).

Moreover, several times it ended up killing my entire board state if my opponent used removal at the right time. Notably, at GPLA, it lost me an important game when I had fifteen 1/1s and Hapatra: an opponent removed Hapatra in response to the trigger, and killed my entire board (because there were no creatures with 2+ toughness on battlefield).

It was just an awkward inclusion, and once I cut it, the deck ran MUCH more smoothly. I never looked back, honestly. I've got better combos, with Yawgmoth and Devoted Druid.

And I'll consider dropping the land, yeah. Thanks!

Hey Daedalus19876

First off, this is an awesome deck and I’m eager to try something similar. My play group has been morphing into a more competitive combo based meta and this looks like a fun deck to tryout there!

I have a few questions for you! What are your thoughts on Necroskitter? Seems like a powerful card but I’m not sure how often you actually end up killing your opponents creatures if you don’t have Yawgmoth.

Would you be able to explain the main function of Spidersilk Armor? Is it just there to put two -1/-1 counters on your snakes?

Lastly do you find it difficult assembling four pieces for your main combo? Would Autumn's Veil be a reasonable addition?

Thanks!

DarthParkarius: Glad you like the deck! In answer to your questions...

1) Necroskitter was always a little... winmore here. It's cute, and is very helpful in a meta with a lot of mana dorks, but in general it kinda just sits there. It's a nice thing to slot in, if you have an extra slot, but... Not necessary to the deck's function.

2) Spidersilk Armor is in here for two reasons. First, this deck has always had issues with flying attackers. We spend our life somewhat aggressively, with cards like Necropotence, but almost nothing in the deck has flying. We have little trouble with attackers on the ground, since we get a lot of expendable deathtouching blockers, but Spidersilk helps patch that issue. Second, with Spidersilk out, we can loop with Yawgmoth, since each snake can survive a counter and still be sacrificed to Yawgmoth.

3) For now, Heroic Intervention and Veil of Summer have been sufficient so far. I may add Autumn's Veil and/or Imp's Mischief eventually, if I continue to have this issue.

hey is this deck good enough for a cedh table with the following decks: najeela tempo, curiousity control(vial smasher and thrasious), the gitrog monster,first sliver foodchain and zur the enchanter doomsday.

soufianhriz: Mmmm. Yes and no. Is Hapatra good enough for that? Yes. Is this deck a decent starting point for trying to build a cEDH version of Hapatra? Yes, this deck does well.

Is this deck quite ready for that table? Not quite, unless you get a very good hand -- and even then, I'd modify the deck to have a lot more stax pieces (taxing spells with Trinisphere and Sphere of Resistance, shutting down mana counters/removal, graveyard hate, etc).

Basically, I'd slim down the deck a little more, to fit in a lot more stax (since we can't play counters).

But I've played this against Food Chain lists to great success (because we snipe their mana dorks), and I suspect that we'd keep Najeela decently under control too, especially if we run Blowfly Infestation. Doomsday is trickier, since we really have no good ways to prevent Zur's tutoring in our colors (apart from "shoot him on sight"). I've never been super impressed by Curious Control, honestly, when I've played against it, so I'd rank that as the lowest of those threats (without knowing about your meta).

Definitely add Torpor Orb too. It's great against the current cEDH meta.

Check out this page for more information on cEDH Hapatra:

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its been a while why did we remove Necroskitter

skeletonkey8: It's best when opponents play many mana dorks, and kinda win-more otherwise. My meta is currently much more on artifact ramp than creature ramp (partly because of this deck) and thus Necroskitter was not very helpful.

hey man thanks for your comment , i will think abot a hapatra cedh deck ( i am already hyped) but do you maybe also now a strong EDH deck wich is not competetive but is good at a high power level table. thanks in advance

daedalus : do you know a good EDH list??!

soufianhriz: Uh, if you want to stick with Hapatra, this list will definitely work well at a high-power-but-not-cEDH table. I also have a Yawgmoth list that does pretty well for itself:

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Welp. New toy!

Now that Nikara, Lair Scavenger, has been spoiled, will you find a spot for her?

cleandeceit: ...Hm. We shall see! On one hand it’s super efficient draw, but on the other hand I can’t control the potential life loss very well. I wish it let me draw off opponents’ cards dying with counters too...

Daedalus19876

I think it would be a great add. I think its cheap draw that comes down early and can provide lots of synergy. The life loss is neglible unless you play necro

hey have you seen Deadly Trick yet, im not sure it fits here, but probably fits in you Yawgmoth deck.

skeletonkey8: Oh, it'll be going in both :D it's awesome.

hey what do you think about The Ozolith this card is awesome for hapatra , just let your snales die with a -1/-1 counter and at the beginning of comabat distribute them all again

soufianhriz: The issue with The Ozolith is that I have to move all the counters accumulated on it onto a single creature, and it only notices counters that were placed onto my own creatures. I'm unsure how good it is; I'll have to play this deck a bit more and determine how often it would fit.

yeah that's true , i didn't really think about that but i defenatelly still think you should give it a try cause i still think the card could be pretty strong and it's only 1 mana though.