Treefolkdancing my way to competitive scene!
Modern
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GeminiSpartanX says... #2
I don't doubt that you're able to hit all your colors, but I also play Abzan Company and even with 9 mana dorks you sometimes don't get to 5+ mana due to opponents 'bolting your birds' or in this case taking out your Bannerets. If you truly want to make this list as competitive as possible, you'll take your opponent's removal into consideration when constructing your mana base. For this reason I only count dorks as 1/2 a mana source at best.
November 3, 2016 5:53 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX: I see what's you're getting at and have ran in to the problem couple times on the tournament practice ladder, where basically every deck is tier 2 or 1. It is rare that I have to actually cast a creature for 5 mana, but against certain decks it get's to the point of prolly dying cause of it. I will take your word for it and try out with 1 or 2 more mana. I just thought the fetches could thin it enough. Thanks again.
November 3, 2016 6:04 p.m. Edited.
I cringe at "tear 2" :P
As for SB, Tragic Slip really doesn't belong there. Back to Nature isn't a good card. It is only relevant in Bogles/Enchantress-type matchups, whose metashare is easily less than 2%. As for replacements, Natural State is a great place to start, considering your deck is not at all ruined by any of the leylines.
I really feel bad for lantern control players playing against this deck. (Ensnaring Bridge).
November 4, 2016 1:36 p.m.
Blue_Flame says... #5
I'd recommend putting a singular Swamp and Plains in your manabase just in case of Blood Moon, otherwise you'd have no way to cast Doran or Crib Swap with a moon on the field.
November 4, 2016 9:44 p.m.
I would definitely replace that wall with something like Joraga Treespeaker. Shes basically just a 1 drop 1/1 that becomes a green sol ring turn 2.
November 4, 2016 10:01 p.m.
@Bovine073: Well as deck tiers go pretty much on their prosentual usage on the playerbase, it was a sort of a joke :) But I do intend to make this competable with those high tier decks which has been really good so far. After the last bigger overhaul on things, I've started to get +50% win rate at MTGo tournament ladder.
As for the SB, I trust your expertice more than mine, so why you think Tragic Slip is so bad ? I see it used in so many decks and is one of the few out of exile cards that takes out colossal creatures. Any alternative would be nice ? As to Back to Nature, I faced 3 enchantment pillow forts in one week and in a spite I over did them, but now see that Natural State is so much more versatile for its lower cost.
November 5, 2016 7:13 a.m.
Tragic Slip just simply isn't a good card in general, and especially here because you have no mainboard options to kill things (Crib Swap doesn't trigger morbid). I would suggest just straight up Path to Exile, it's very arguably the best removal spell in the format. More Putrefy copies would be good as well.
November 5, 2016 7:19 a.m.
@Blue_Flame: I've seen exactly 2 Blood Moon decks outside of Multiplayer games, and in those two I did see them, I won both 2-0 anyway because Leaf-Crowned Elder cheat them out if needed and the deck doesnt entirely rely on splash color cards. Thanks for your thoughts though!
@Gliscorph: Well Joraga Treespeaker needs 3 total mana to make it a ramper and it cant be cast on the turn casted cause it taps for it, it doesn't have a body to take a hit in the early game all while doing the ramping and the last lvl is just useless. I really don't see what you see here so please elaborate more on why it is better ?
November 5, 2016 7:25 a.m.
@Bovine073: I made a few changes according your suggestions, but I feel like Im flooding on creature removal a bit. What do you think of the SB now, considering if theres a need for countermeasures for the popular archetypes ?
November 5, 2016 7:43 a.m.
I like this one a lot more. Consider 1-2 Leyline of Sanctity. Clip Wings is a direct counter to emrakul-nahiri, you could replace a Plummet with that.
November 5, 2016 7:48 a.m.
I used to run Clip Wings over Plummet, but ended up appreciating Plummet more, but I hate Emrakul, so it might find it's way back if they pop up more. Now the flying removal's just pretty much for Birds of Paradise and a few used dragons.
November 5, 2016 7:57 a.m.
@Bovine073: And against Emrakul, as well as Nahiri, Ruinous Path works well not being an instant.
November 5, 2016 9:05 a.m. Edited.
Oh snap, you meant the Eons Torn rather than the Promised End. Well now I think I need some Clip Wings for the Eons torn, or if there are similar effects that have uses outside of only taking care on Eons Emrakul. Only problem I see with replasing Plummet is decks that sport multiple flying creatures and I can't target. Though I have so many target removals that it might not matter at all, the contrary actually :D
November 5, 2016 9:12 a.m. Edited.
Hello, in any Doran deck, I think 4x Spellskite are great. Gives you maindeck hate for removal and a lot of decks, packed with a 4/4 for 2 manas...
November 5, 2016 11:54 a.m.
Oh, and if you play 4 Thorn of Amethyst, you probably could replace some with Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, which will be more aggressive, no?
November 5, 2016 11:58 a.m.
...And last but not least, where are Cavern of Souls?
November 5, 2016 12:02 p.m.
@zertsdfg: In my dreams of wealth :D Just picked up 2 playsets of fetches that made quite a dent in my wallet, but they are definately in my to get list! Might still add them to the list.
November 5, 2016 12:20 p.m. Edited.
@zertsdfg: Oh sorry, was on phone and thought you just said the last comment :D, but yeah what I said about Cavern before and then to Spellskite. That is a REAALLLY nice card for a Doran deck, but since it has zero synergy with any of the overpowered treefolk mechanics, I honestly dont see it but atleast a 2 of in SB where space is limited. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is obviously an OP card and I really see the potential with it. It would cost me a life with Sapling of Colfenor, but thats a non significant issue since I get to draw it. Plus playing it alongside 2 or 3 Thorn of Amethyst wouldnt up it's cost where every Thorn cost one more over every copy on the battlefield! Sweet suggestions, I gotta see how I end up investing in the changes when I get some extra cash.
November 5, 2016 2:25 p.m.
Pheardemons says... #20
As far as the deck goes, love it. I've been debating making a "big butts" deck with Doran, and came across this beauty. Couple of suggestions.
SB - instead of Natural State or Naturalize why not 3 Nature's Claim. Based on the tempo of your deck the 4 life probably isn't a problem, plus it is a one mana instant that doesn't have the restriction of Natural State. Another catch-all could be Creeping Corrosion if you have a lot of affinity or tron matchups in your area, or Back to Nature if you have a lot of enchantment based decks. Hero's Downfall may not be "strictly" better than Ruinous Path, but the instant speed is nothing to laugh at. However, You could also go with other removal such as Path to Exile or Go for the Throat. Both of those are generally considered some of the best creature removals in the format (for your colors). Tower Defense could be an insane card for your SB against flyers, especially with Doran on the battlefield. Also your sideboard seems somewhat clunky. You have cards that all do similar effects. If you narrowed your sideboard to more universal cards it may benefit you better. Example sideboard for you could look like
3x Leyline of Sanctity4x Nature's Claim2x Leyline of the Void2x Relic of Progenitus2x Spellskite2x Nameless Inversion
You have Nature's Claim to bring in against tron, affinity, prison, Blood Moon, boggles, and other such decks. Leyline of Sanctity against burn and rack decks. Leyline of the Void and Relic of Progenitus against any decks that utilize the graveyard including Jund and decks that use Snapcaster Mage. Spellskite to protect your guys and destroys infect and boggles. Nameless Inversion is there to help against other aggro decks that maybe are too fast for you, or maybe against problematic creatures. I chose this one because of the changeling ability. Again this is just an example, but it is more universal and can help you against a wide array of matchups.
For the deck itself why not play some mana rocks like Birds of Paradise? It's another one that does sort of benefit from Doran, plus it can be a blocker against flyers (since you seem to be pretty worried about that). Also, playing everything a turn or two early is always a good feeling. Also did you consider Kalonian Twingrove as a possible end-game finisher? it benefits from your treefolk supporters and you get two 6/6 (minimum) for 6 mana. Especially would be an amazing combo with Leaf-Crowned Elder. Just a possible thought.
+1.
November 5, 2016 3:33 p.m.
@Pheardemons: Whoah, what a wall of text. Had to read it twice to fully grasp what you're going after and to make it short, I'll first mention the cards that already has seen play and just didn't cut it, or are just (In my opinion) worse, I'll list first.
So Creeping Corrosion is on something I'd not consider for it's limited use. Back to Nature already considered, but for removal I'd prefer your mentioned Nature's Claim or any I already have. Path to Exile is simply worse than Crib Swap in this particular deck (See description), even though in generally speaking you're right, I sport a playset in my every white deck. Go for the Throat is bad here. Tower Defense has been in playtesting for about half a year, and hasn't really brought anything to the game, but I agree that with Birds of Paradise it would be magnificent, but here I really prefer Wall of Roots since you can also use its mana on the same turn too, since it doesnt tap for it. (bird has sickness so youd get the extra on turn two anyway). Plus you'd have to use hard removal to take it out (Bolt wont cut it). Right now its not just about money, but I also prefer Relic of Progenitus over Leyline of the Void. Nameless Inversion was in the early deck and just nearly worth Crib Swap, so I sacked it. Blood Moon can even be taken out by a Natural State, so it won't pose a problem. I've face two and won both. Kalonian Twingrove was also in the original deck and boy is it magnificent on its own, I just had to cut it over bigger impacters.
Now for the excellent. Nature's Claim is just a brillian card, I'll definately replace the Naturalize and one Natural State. Hero's Downfall WHY HAVEN'T I HEARD OF THIS!
Too bad the rejected list is so much longer, but this is rather old deck end I've tried a lot of things. It's still refining and these few suggestions were just brilliant! Thanks so much for your time and effort over someone elses deck! :)
November 5, 2016 6:27 p.m. Edited.
As for the deck, it aims to be naturally threatning and bringing in creatures that require attention and when that amasses even a little, its Wrath of God before Timber Protector or it's pretty much done. That is why I have so much specific hate cards in my SB and it might seam weird, cause they are the biggest threats I've faced so far. Everything is constantly changing so some cards might come back again! Thanks again :)
November 5, 2016 6:39 p.m.
Oh I forgot Hero's Downfall doesn't work against Emrakul, the Promised End, but I haven't really seen those too much either. Maybe the instant speed is still alot better.
November 5, 2016 6:43 p.m.
Pheardemons says... #24
I love "different" decks, I play U-tron, Skred red, and I finally went mainstream with trying dredge. Sorry if it was too much, but your deck looks amazing and I wanted to know about the possibilities of every card that may have been playtested. Keep up the great deck man.
November 5, 2016 6:48 p.m.
This is what this site is for, this deck is this good because some people are as enthusiastic as us :)
Naksu says... #1
Why thank you fellow gentleman, much appreciated.
November 3, 2016 5:40 p.m.