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Modern SpartanCEL

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Yggdrasil60 says... #1

It may be not the best idea to cut the best removal in modern.
Imo, I would :
-4 desecration demon
-4 madcap skills
-4 goblin fireslinger
-1 rogue passage

+4 IoK
+1 duress
+2 pyroclasm/anger of the gods
+3 apostle's blessing
+1 Olivia
+1 rakdos return

January 2, 2015 11:38 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #2

Not a bad suggestion although I'd never mainboard aggro board wipes unless aggro was a big thing in my meta. What I think I'll do is cut what I said before. Add 3 olivias 3 apostles blessings 4 IoK and 2 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. I'll test this out and see how it goes

January 2, 2015 1:42 p.m.

Delmare says... #3

SpartanCEL With Olivia being a Legendary creature would it be wise to toss in 3 of her?

January 2, 2015 4:44 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #4

Delmare she's worth it so yea we want to draw her, and they'll probably remove her anyway. I've been playtesting with 3 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen and yea he's not that great(cut a land if I remember correctly ironic yes but I kept getting too many lands maybe the shuffling on untap sucks) or because I've been versing urber control or control combo but he's out I could run 3 lok and 3 Lightning Bolt that could work. I still wish I could have more big flyers

January 2, 2015 8:07 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #5

I've been reading up on Demigod of Revenge even though we're not abusing him we could probably run 4. Maybe.

-4 desecration

-4 madcap

-1 lightning bolt

-1 Rogue's Passage


+4 Demigod of Revenge

+3 Iok

+2 olivia

+1 land


Olivias cool we could probs cut her so we have 4 Iok and 4 lightning which is what I think I'll try next no olivia

January 2, 2015 9:07 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #6

Currently trying out this setup and it's been working nicely tron is a joke now haha just sb hard and you'll win


-4 Desecration Demon

-4 Madcap Skills

-1 Rogue's Passage (taking out a land entirely)


+4 Demigod of Revenge

+4 Thoughtseize

+2 Rakdos's Return


Sb:

3x Pithing Needle

3x Shatterstorm

3x Dragon's Claw

3x Ratchet Bomb

3x Slaughter Games

I think it's a little redundant for both dragons claw and ratchet bomb so it probably needs adjusting


Although I don't see why we wouldn't run Duress because of the life loss because I'd rather take a kill spell then a creature, and I want to hit Supreme Verdict because I've been seeing a good amount of control but we'll see. Also, even though people aren't exactly commenting I still will to keep my head straight and for those just looking.

January 3, 2015 10:05 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #7

Note tron is cool and viable and I just played a affinity tron deck in which I sb 8 cards in. Went 1-1 cause he had to go

January 3, 2015 10:11 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #8

Actually I think I took out a Lightning Bolt for a swamp not mountain for Thoughtseize

January 3, 2015 10:22 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #9

What I said in the latest edit


-2 rogues passage

-1 lightning bolt


+2 mountain (missed one last cut)

January 4, 2015 1:15 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #10

So I've come to pass this deck is far too slow if it doesn't get it's turn 3, so I see 2 options and I've already decided. We can go the early game hand disruption or a beat face and delay going to outlast you deck. I've opted for the latter because it's eaiser, will be more efficient and well apparently ur delver is a thing so you know it works out for me anyway. I'm thinking about the following list


4 Blood Crypt

4 Bloodstained Mire

4 Dragonskull Summit

4 Graven Cairns

1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

3 mountain

3 swamp

2 Chandra, Pyromaster

4 Generator Servant

4 Goblin Fireslinger

4 Vampire Nighthawk

4 Master of Cruelties

4 Rakdos Signet

3 Phyrexian Arena

3 Terminate

2 Desecration Demon

4 Lightning Bolt

2 Anathemancer

1 Rakdos, Lord of Riots


I think that will be much faster, and desecration demon on top of vampire is pretty sweet. Also Anathemancer should always be hitting for a few points or we play our plethora of other 3 drops, Phyrexian Arena duh card advantage we have to outlast you and beat face

January 5, 2015 7:37 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #11

Posting the old list before I change it, so I'll do that hopefully soon I have some majorish changes

Land (24)

3x Blood Crypt

1x Blood Crypt

4x Bloodstained Mire

4x Dragonskull Summit

2x Graven Cairns

2x Graven Cairns

3x Mountain

3x Rogue's Passage

1x Swamp

1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Artifact (4)

4x Rakdos Signet

Creature (19)

4x Desecration Demon

4x Generator Servant

4x Goblin Fireslinger

4x Master of Cruelties

3x Rakdos, Lord of Riots

Instant (7)

4x Lightning Bolt

3x Terminate

Planeswalker (2)

1x Chandra, Pyromaster

1x Chandra, Pyromaster

Enchantment (4)

4x Madcap Skills

Sideboard (15)

3x Dreadbore

3x Pithing Needle

3x Rakdos Charm

3x Ratchet Bomb

3x Slaughter Games

Maybeboard (33)1x Ashenmoor Liege1x Bloodgift Demon1x Dash Hopes1x Mogis, God of Slaughter1x Necropolis Regent1x Rakdos's Return1x Rune-Scarred Demon1x Tombstalker1x Anger of the Gods1x Apostle's Blessing1x Batterskull1x Blinding Flare1x Bump in the Night1x Cavern of Souls1x Demigod of Revenge1x Dragon's Claw1x Duress1x Erebos, God of the Dead1x Frenzied Goblin1x Grafdigger's Cage1x Grave Titan1x Griselbrand1x Indulgent Tormentor1x Inquisition of Kozilek1x Phyrexian Arena1x Piranha Marsh1x Seizan, Perverter of Truth1x Shatterstorm1x Sign in Blood1x Smoldering Spires1x Spellskite1x Thoughtseize1x Thundermaw Hellkite

January 8, 2015 9:23 p.m.

Yggdrasil60 says... #12

I think that for a midrange deck you play way too much 4+ cmc creatures, and you are missing a basic of any deck that plays black : discard. I'd take out 5 creatures for 5 discard spells

January 11, 2015 12:53 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #13

I'm taking the more combo-midrange strategy, so I decided I could go the discard route or focus more on the fatties and i did the latter(basically what midrange decks are, my reference on the bottom). I see where you're coming from. Almost all competitive black decks go the discard route. Also black red isn't known for ramp, so it's more rogue than most decks. But after playing some I've liked how it functions, without the discard(still needs tweaking and lots more playtesting) While I can use discard to my advantage I'd rather focus on pumping out big creatures as fast as possible or the combo. The creatures are very synergetic as well. I do appreciate all the help man:)


My reference, it's older but still gets the job done I think


http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/396

January 11, 2015 1:45 p.m.

I see your point of view, but I have to agree that discard is necessary here. This deck will lose to a T2 Pod almost always. Path will hit your Master of Cruelties, and T4 infinite Deceiver Exarchs are too consistent and too fast for this deck. However, even something budget like Duress can be the card that turns a god hand from a T1 deck into a bad hand.

January 11, 2015 1:56 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #15

Alright so discard seems like a nice option I'll try it out. How much discard? Is 6 enough? I've read people debate 4 Thoughtseize to 2 Inquisition of Kozilek or probably Duress for now but just throwing stuff out. Be back later

January 11, 2015 2:10 p.m.

I think for this deck 6 is more than enough, as it's just a way to save you from cards that'll wreck your face faster than you can make big fatties. I would probably go with Duress over Inquisition of Kozilek, as it hits Birthing Pod and your biggest threats aren't normally creatures

January 11, 2015 2:25 p.m.

Yggdrasil60 says... #17

I'd recommand a split of 2 Thoughtseize/3 Duress and one more discard spell in the SB.

January 11, 2015 3:12 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #18

I'm back for a few minutes. I honestly love how you two take such a stance on helping me out I can come up with ideas and make decent decks but to make it competitive obviously I needed some help so thanks guys. Anywho


I never really liked 4 boros reckoners so I'm cool with the following cuts?

-2 Boros Reckoner

-1 Rakdos, Lord of Riots

-1 Wurmcoil Engine

-1 something maybe Phyrexian Arena

Then have 1 in the side I probably could run 6 discard too

January 11, 2015 3:36 p.m.

Yggdrasil60 says... #19

Yup, and for the last card to cut, i'd say another rakdos.
Np for the help, I like to help people :p

January 11, 2015 3:48 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #20

So is that for #5 or 6? Like should I cut a Phyrexian Arena and Rakdos (sadly 2 can work) for 6 discard?

January 11, 2015 4:07 p.m.

Delmare says... #21

Is there any specific reason to use Terminate over Dreadbore?

I am not a huge fan of Graven Cairns. Could you substitute it with Auntie's Hovel since you are going to want that Goblin Fireslinger in your opening hand anyways? Or you could go with Temple of Malice. I know it comes in tapped, but that Scry 1. There is also Sulfurous Springs.

Also, would anyone be willing to take a gander at my recently put together deck. It was originally a Standard Warrior deck (hence the Chief of Scales) and I basically redid the entire thing. It doesn't take into account FRF that is coming out soon though. My R/W/B Nothing stays dead for long.

January 11, 2015 4:47 p.m.

Yggdrasil60 says... #22

Terminate is an instant, Dreadbore isn't. PW aren't played in modern anyway, except for liliana and sometimes Ajani v2. Nothing more to say

January 11, 2015 5:21 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #23

Updated

Lets try that? 6 removal, we may go 5

January 11, 2015 8:32 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #24

Delmare sorry I didn't reply till now busy with other things (like your deck lol) but I really like Graven Cairns it works absolutely beautifully I need for Boros Reckoner? He has me covered or black? Got me and ? Still got me, and it doesn't require life. Yes I do want the goblin in my hand but that doesn't happen consistently, none of my lands enter tapped(without choice) so it consistently casts cards the turn they were meant to be played (sometimes there's a hick but 24 lands it's not too often) I did consider Sulfurous Springs but we take enough damage from lands and I haven't had too much of an issue with mana even with Rakdos, Lord of Riots I can usually cast him.


Alright so Yggdrasil60, Programmer_112 and Delmare would Slaughter Pact be a good option? I've seen competitive decks run a 1 of. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference just because it's a one of but who knows

January 12, 2015 10:04 p.m.

Slaughter Pact is good for the surprise effect, but unless you find yourself wanting to tap out but needing a removal spell that much, I don't think it's that much better than just playing Doom Blade and saving 1 mana.

January 12, 2015 10:12 p.m.

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