Turn 3 win/ S&M

Modern SpartanCEL

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SpartanCEL says... #1

So if I did manage to get 4 (I didn't yet but I know what I'm asking for my 18th birthday in April lol) what would be the 4th thing? I'd swap 3 Blightning definitely, but the fourth I'm stuck and I'll change that actually. Another question is 5 cards for card advantage enough? Just curious your opinion. And about the lands I've almost never had a problem casting anything so I don't think I'll change it too much because I have it all (except Lavaclaw Reaches) and it's worked for me so far but I'll keep that in mind if it doesn't work often enough.

January 15, 2015 7:38 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #2

Delmare Break Through the Line is a sweet card but he only works with Master of Cruelties essentially so because of the lack of synergy with other cards he won't be put in:( I actually like the card it's perfect for master legetily perfect but sadly good cards can't always be put in if they don't work well with other cards. Nice work though!

January 15, 2015 9:58 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #3

Couldn't get land against an aggressive jund deck. I'm going to have the lands be evenly split do to cheep multicolor and duel colored symbols (I'm talking I couldn't cast Liliana of the Veil because I had 2 mountains and a blood crypt) Thinking about the Wooded Foothills we'll see how this goes

January 15, 2015 10:55 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #4

Also considering hand disruption. Again. Making rakdos competitive is hard lol but it's a task worth taking when it's finally finished(besides meta tweaking)

January 15, 2015 11:13 p.m.

APPLE01DOJ says... #5

I tried Red Rock... Can it work? it does well but it also is inferior to its counterpart. Neither red or black can deal with enchantments.

January 16, 2015 12:50 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #6

Rock seems like it can fit Master of Cruelties nicely because the old Rock decks it seems had 5 drops as their win cons


http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=sideboard/pthou02/tech1


It probably needs a board wipe mainboard I've noticed that's popular. Well we can try the Rock and see how it fits him

January 16, 2015 10:40 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #7

January 16, 2015 10:42 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #8

Wondering if 2 Lavaclaw Reaches is enough man lands or if I should go 3 or Ghitu Encampment which doesn't seem impressive

January 16, 2015 8:40 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #9

Took out Phyrexian Arena for another Thoughtseize and Terminate we'll see how it goes. May tweak that

January 17, 2015 4:42 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #10

Put it back in I was just annoyed I lost to a really fast infect deck and didn't have good sb cards. Still may go but we'll see

January 17, 2015 4:49 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #11

Trying a slightly different strategy, wreck their day up early turns, hand discard and creature removal, that's if you don't get the combo handy because that's hard to do sometimes. Will have to modify the sb for control if I decide to go this route

January 17, 2015 6:27 p.m.

APPLE01DOJ says... #12

Have u considered Rogue's Passage I used to run it as a 1 of for Kalonian Hydra it'll work wonders with Master of Cruelties

January 17, 2015 9:50 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #13

I had it in the old deck I could probably add one. This setup has been doing awesome, I'm happy so far, can't vouch for Gut Shot yet haven't gotten it. Won a game with Lavaclaw Reaches even with his Phyrexian Unlife(his deck was real slow unless he got Delver of Secrets  Flip which I Terminated I believe) so thanks man! Is this considered Rock? Not sure

January 17, 2015 10:59 p.m.

APPLE01DOJ says... #14

Sort of. Rock is specifically referring to a Golgari deck. U can read about it here under defining archetypes Modern Format Primer. It used be considered the answer deck because between Abrupt Decay Maelstrom Pulse Liliana of the Veil and Tectonic Edge u can essentially hit everything in the format. This is one reason will always be superior to a build. Where your deck falls outside of the Rock model is that ur creature base is a sort of combo focus and Rocks creature basis is economical. Low cost threats like Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze that can progressively get better over the course of the game or cards that offer significant advantage like Dark Confidant. DC is in the sidelines in most current lists though.

January 18, 2015 7:05 a.m.

APPLE01DOJ says... #15

It's actually under the what are the top decks in modern section as B/Gx Midrange

January 18, 2015 7:08 a.m.

Yggdrasil60 says... #16

This will never really be a rock deck because you don't decay, tarmogoyf and so :p
But your deck is getting way more competitive than it used to be at the start, even if there is still room for improvment
I just noticed something, why did you write in the description than only liliana -6 is useful ?

January 18, 2015 7:11 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #17

APPLE01DOJ thanks again! So it's not Rock but uses some of the main ideas also incorporating a little combo. I have something clever in mind;) I've read one of that primer actually I really like primers now (I never really knew about them) and read some rock ones. Still debating Rogue's Passage because I really like always being able to cast my stuff the turn it's meant to.


Yggdrasil60 true but we can try;) hey thanks man and yea there's always tweaking or if another strategy is straight up better we can do that. I did it to be funny but I wasn't sarcastic enough to seem that way I guess (stole the idea from this place in the way they describe Tarmogoyf)

January 18, 2015 9:02 a.m.

I think I see how this could be a Rock deck. It's not running all the efficient stuff that normal B/G/x Rock runs, but the style seems to be very much the same, other than that you can't get Abrupt Decay in your current colors. So some people might not call it Rock, but I think it's a lot the same, so go for it. Also, I don't like Rogue's Passage because it's normally not that useful, and it's a 5-mana investment, which isn't good.

January 18, 2015 11:11 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #19

Doing some research here and other places agree, the original creator of the deck named it Rock because he dubbed Phyrexian Plaguelord the Rock after the wrestler 'The Rock.' It's interesting to note the current Rock decks don't have any 5 drops like Phyrexian Plaguelord but I do:p. Anywho Rogue's Passage, probably won't add it the deck, it's been doing fine and I usually end up needing all the colored mana I can get, not that that's a problem it works fine so far.


Also interesting (even though it's a legacy forum) that The Rock has a lot of variances between strategies and they have their own names. That's from 2009 not that it matters so much regarding names. I still want to just dub this 'MoCK'

January 18, 2015 11:31 a.m.

SpartanCEL says... #20

The deck is definitely not finalized but I think it's much more under control than I felt is was, so Turn 3 win//MoCK on a budget

January 18, 2015 12:47 p.m.

sethrtd says... #21

Ever thought of Alesha? she combos very well with Moc

January 21, 2015 4:32 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #22

No I haven't thought of Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. If I can't get a hold of all 4 Liliana of the Veils she may be a good 1 or 2 of, but he has to be in the graveyard or she's pretty much worthless to be very blunt. So I'll think about it:)

January 21, 2015 7:03 p.m.

cmskinny says... #23

Damn skippy!

February 11, 2015 8:25 p.m.

SpartanCEL says... #24

tries to figure out what that means

February 11, 2015 9:44 p.m.

Isntitizzet says... #25

I'm trying to think of decent black/red threats at 4 cmc for modern. Tomb stalker might not be bad, but also Desecration Demon might be worth a look over rakdos. I know he's epic and all, but he's much less conditional and is easier to cast. Maybe a 2/2 split to test them out. I like rakdos a lot, but 4x seems excessive. Ashcloud phoenix too seems pretty nice in this sort of deck actually. Also not sure why you have the psuedo mana dork in here. He's better off as a lightning bolt analogue, like lava spike or bump in the night. Maybe even a disfigure or two in the sideboard to be more interactive. OR if you're going for the cheap 1 damage to kill the opponent, Mogg Fanatic is fantastic if its modern legal, which I'm pretty sure it is. He's also flexible to take out your opponent's 1 toughness issues, like an otherwise unchecked Bob.

Also, I'd be intrigued to hear what you think about something like Gurmag Angler as a cheap beats delve threat. You play anger out of the sideboard, so ground should be kept relatively clear between that and bolts. He seems like a possibly underrated card in modern with all the fetches you use.

February 12, 2015 1:21 a.m.

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