Turn Zero Shuffle Hulk

Commander / EDH* Megalomania

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enpc says... #1

What's the Eldritch Evolution line you're going for? I typically see this run with Tasigur, the Golden Fang becasue you can cheat him in and then fetch Razaketh, but you're not doing that here. It can get Auriok Salvagers off either of your commanders but that's about it.

July 10, 2018 7:57 p.m.

Megalomania says... #2

Mainly for Salvagers or if I want to play the Illusionist + Nomads en Kor combo outside Flash Hulk. I know it's not the cheapest way to do it but I think it would work better than Sylvan Tutor which gives my opponents a heads up on what's about to happen next turn.

July 10, 2018 10 p.m.

enpc says... #3

That's fair. It does add a bit more of a selling point for Ravos, Soultender over Tymna the Weaver as you can evolution from him into hulk and adding a Phyrexian Tower would give you an easy sac outlet. though I can still understand wanting to keep Tymna.

July 11, 2018 1:38 a.m. Edited.

Megalomania says... #4

Yeah. That could work but I just don't see myself using that line often enough to dedicate a slot for Phyrexian Tower. I see that you really like Ravos and I think it might be better for a more midrange build like that of Alexdagreat.

Do you guys see any cards that can be taken out to make room for Green Sun's Zenith or would it be a redundancy that the deck can do without?

July 11, 2018 3 a.m.

Alexdagreat says... #5

Postmortem or Reanimate. I'd say both is a little overkill, and maybe one could be taken out for GSZ. Yeah, Tower is good for a slightly slower build. Here's my build if anyone would like to check it out http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/flashin-breakfast-hulk/

July 11, 2018 8:51 a.m.

Alexdagreat says... #6

Also, Spellseeker really strengthens the midrange capabilities. Being able to grab Flash, Entomb, Reanimate, Mana Drain, or Flusterstorm is such good value when the game goes longer, especially for a Razaketh setup.

July 11, 2018 9:51 a.m.

KongMing says... #7

I'm surprised you don't have a Birthing Pod in the deck. It's is a great way to Tutor for your Hermit on Turn 3 if you have the Pod and 1-drop mana dork in your opening hand.

July 11, 2018 12:33 p.m.

KongMing says... #8

One other card that might help you activate Lab Maniac is River Kelpie. Might have some other synergies in the deck too.

July 11, 2018 2:09 p.m.

Megalomania says... #9

@Alexdagreat How exactly does the Raza line go? I haven't played against one so far but a lot of decks here seem to be using it so it must be good.

My playgroup has decided I should die first every game so strengthening my midrange capabilities isn't exactly my primary concern at the moment. lol

@KongMing Yeah, Birthing Pod is nice but I am keeping the cost of tutors as low as possible since the goal is to win by turn 2-3. River Kelpie feels more like a win more card in the deck. I rarely get to 5 mana before winning or losing the game.

I appreciate the suggestions guys. Thank you!

July 11, 2018 8:58 p.m.

Alexdagreat says... #10

Yeah, my meta is Tainted Shimmer Zur, Teferi, Blood Pod, and my Hulk list. Fast combo gets stopped cold by a wall of counters and Stax pieces. Cursed Totem usually hits the table, which leaves my Hulk lines dead. Razaketh lines with Life, Eternal Witness, dorks, and the like are really great backup, as is Jin Gitaxias. Spellseeker can fetch Entomb, Reanimate, and Flash, so it's a great midrange plan if our combo gets stopped. I usually rush Hermit Druid, have him eat removal, then go for another line!

July 11, 2018 9:20 p.m.

Alexdagreat says... #11

Razaketh sacks the dorks to tutor up your wincons which include Eternal Witness and Animate Dead to recur LED or just Flash and Hulk if you need. Check the Razakats primer for the exact description, but it's a great grind plan, especially if Teferi or Blood Pod gets a lock on the table.

July 11, 2018 9:25 p.m.

Megalomania says... #12

Thanks! I'll check it out along with the decks that you mentioned were part of your meta. I haven't felt the need to change the current gameplan but your suggestions might be worth incorporating in the future.

July 11, 2018 9:44 p.m.

KongMing says... #13

5 mana? You wouldn't cast River Kelpie from your hand... Bring her back from the grave with Muldrotha, and Kelpie can act as a stand-in for Hapless Researcher, allowing you to draw a card when she ETBS.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm mixing up your requisite boardstates. I see now that you don't have Muldrotha in on the Hapless Researcher win.

July 12, 2018 12:08 p.m. Edited.

enpc says... #14

Megalomania: The only reason I was recommending Ravos was that you could use him as a launching point if you you're not getting much value from Tymna. I actually think Tymna is the better midrange commander as she's a constant source of cards.

I'm kind of on the fence about Eldritch Evolution given the current list TBH. It gets you Auriok Salvagers, but it feels a bit too narrow. I guess off Salvagers you could get Muldrotha, but again that feels slow and I'm not sure if it achieves what you want. And even in the case where it gets Hulk, you still need a sac outlet (not to mention this is only achievable off sacing Muldrotha). I think that GSZ feels like a better fit in more circumstances. Worst case scenario it can get you Hulk but I think it gives you more bang for buck given the current list.

As has been mentioned, Razaketh could be good here. You'd probably have to drop the Ad Nauseam, but he can do work. In some ways I think he's better suited to a Tasigur, the Golden Fang list as you can delve in Tas and then Eldritch Evolution straight into him, but you could make it work here too.

July 12, 2018 11:23 p.m.

Megalomania says... #15

enpc Eldritch Evolution does seem a bit weird if you look at it that way. I picked it over GSZ because it gives me access to non-green creatures.

Since I had Thrasios readily available, I could easily use EE to grab and put into play Cephalid Illusionist or Nomads en-Kor or Auriok Salvagers. Compared to GSZ who’s only real target would be HD, EE seemed like a more logical choice. I still intend to add GSZ though. I’m nust not sure what to cut. I could take out Reanimate as suggested by Alex but I think it might be more useful now that i’ve added the bomberman combo back into the deck.

July 13, 2018 12:10 a.m.

enpc says... #16

You could just cut Laboratory Maniac for GSZ. it's a dead card anyway, only good in combo :P

How has Mental Misstep gone for you? you could look at cutting either that or possibly Dispel, depending on your meta.

July 13, 2018 1:15 a.m.

Megalomania says... #17

I wish I could. Haha! I really did not want to use Lab Maniac as a win con when I started in Commander but I keep ending up with it.

I guess I could afford to do away with either one. What about Swords? I rarely need to use it since I often die early or end up winning.

July 13, 2018 2:18 a.m.

enpc says... #18

If you prefer counterspells then that seems fine to me. Personally I would prefer to have at least one creature removal spell though as DRS and hatebears are a thing.

July 13, 2018 2:25 a.m.

Alexdagreat says... #19

Yeah, one creature removal is essential for stuff like Aven Mindcensor which can be flashed in at the worst times. What’s your meta like?

July 13, 2018 3:19 a.m.

Alexdagreat says... #20

Also, I completely agree with you on Sylvan Tutor. I’ve lost games because of an entire turn telegraphing my attempt to win.

July 13, 2018 3:21 a.m.

Megalomania says... #21

True. Luckily, stax and similar decks no longer have a large presence in my meta which has “powered down” a bit over the past few months.

It currently consists of: Flash Hulk Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Child of Alara 5-color superfriends, a stax-ish Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, a typical Kaalia of the Vast, DD Zur, Norin the Wary, Scion of ur dragon, Brago, King Eternal (also a little stax-ish), Tasigur, the Golden Fang (flash hulk), and Nekusar.

July 13, 2018 4:17 a.m.

TearsInRain23 says... #22

You must have a pretty hardcore meta for a deck this competitively synergistic. There isn't much I could suggest to improve this deck as it stands. Its very out of my element of deck building to go multiplayer competitive where as my meta is mostly 1v1 or 3 player games.

July 13, 2018 8:52 p.m.

Megalomania says... #23

Individually, the group isn’t that cutthroat but they have elected to work together against me so I needed to adjust. Lol. It’s fun though.

And to the guy who gave the upvote, (leaf4912) for some reason I can’t link your name here, thanks!

July 13, 2018 9:07 p.m.

bwanabeast5 says... #24

Why the fuck did I see the Infinite Combo In the first 15 Seconds!

July 13, 2018 10:05 p.m.

Scytec says... #25

This is the type of cEDH I would like to get into, but my meta is currently only semi-competitive. Any recommendations on breaking into cEDH on a budget, I am quite fond of Sidisi Hermit Druid, but the protection suite and mana base push it out of my budget unfortunately. Maybe I could just utilize the primary combo pieces and build around it myself for there? Unfortunately at this time I can not recommend anything beneficial as this deck is already tuned to the point I can no longer help. Great work, sorry I couldn't do more. Haha. +1 from me.

July 14, 2018 11:18 a.m.

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