U/B control

Standard* Lord007

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Izanagi_Deus says... #1

Clearly AEtherling fits here. Another possibility is Nightveil Specter . With as much as you're killing their creatures off, Desecration Demon will either get through easily or keep the killing going.

September 6, 2013 11:11 a.m.

Lord007 says... #2

Izanagi_Deus I love AEtherling but I'm looking for a finisher with a cool ability too. Call me silly but I like flavor and ability. Desecration Demon would fit in here nicely though.

Also if anyone knows of a standard legal B or U destroy enchantment that will probably be important with Theros coming out

September 6, 2013 11:20 a.m.

SS1985 says... #3

I'm running something similar but I have esper (Ctrl Life GG ). If you're looking for enchantment hate you may have to splash a little green for Naturalize , Abrupt Decay , Golgari Charm or Vraska the Unseen . If you're not gonna go AEtherling would you consider Consuming Aberration ? Its a shame Essence Harvest is leaving the format because it works well with aberration and desecration. If you decide on aberration you might as well put in Jace, Memory Adept for a win con with mill. Clone might be a fun 4 drop or a way to handle/copy a legendary. Maybe in the sideboard you could add Runner's Bane , I've seen it work pretty well, but its up to you.

September 6, 2013 11:42 a.m.

And what will Murder be replaced with when it goes out of standard?

September 6, 2013 11:42 a.m.

SS1985 says... #5

September 6, 2013 11:43 a.m.

I think Opportunity would work well in this deck, because refilling your hand in a control deck is very powerful.

September 6, 2013 12:30 p.m.

Lord007 says... #7

TheBefuddledMagician are there any cheaper card draw? like a draw 2 for 4?

September 6, 2013 12:41 p.m.

Lord007 says... #8

I'll just add Read the Bones from Theros (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145086&d=1378001244)

September 6, 2013 12:48 p.m.

The problem with that is its a sorcery so you won't have mana open for counters. Inspiration is 4 mana for 2 cards at instant speed.

September 6, 2013 1:57 p.m.

Lord007 says... #10

yup. got 3 mainboarded now thanks tho

September 6, 2013 2:01 p.m.

Lord007 says... #11

I still need help with big finishers

September 6, 2013 2:02 p.m.

SS1985 says... #12

September 6, 2013 2:38 p.m.

Izanagi_Deus says... #13

Probably because both of those are sorceries. Instant is much better.

September 6, 2013 3:28 p.m.

Lord007 says... #14

SS1985 Pilfered Plans might work but Instant is much better if possible.

September 6, 2013 4:37 p.m.

SS1985 says... #15

maybe go 2 and 2?

September 6, 2013 4:39 p.m.

Lord007 says... #16

SS1985 That could work. I'll update it. So far I don't know how many of these cards I actually have so I can make any changes right now and I'll get the cards later.

September 6, 2013 5:49 p.m.

Tamerlein says... #17

I like this deck and I could see it being quite powerful, but there are a few things I would change.

First of all, be careful about having Cyclonic Rift mainboard. Although being able to kill tokens and bounce things like Planeswalkers is nice, often times it will just be card disadvantage. Especially considering that you are running Far / Away . But as a sideboard option, the Rift is great. And hey, if you discover that you are having problems with permanents it might be an option for mainboard, but just keep an eye on it.

Next is Ultimate Price . While it is a fine card, it depends on the meta that it is in. In the current environment there are a bunch of multicolored creatures, so it will be pretty often that you can't use it.

The important thing with this deck is to decide what your main win condition is. You said in a comment that you didn't really want AEtherling in this deck, which is fine (although I would highly, highly recommend him). Desecration Demon is a very good card, but if he is your main win con you should probably have four. Another option is of course milling, but if you don't devote a decent amount of space to mill cards you probably want as few as possible, because if you go against any sort of reanimation deck you are in trouble. Innistrad cycling out means you don't have to worry that much, but Golgari still uses a lot of reanimation. So pretty much what I'm saying is that Divination will almost always be better for you than Pilfered Plans if you aren't having more mill cards. The exception here is Psychic Strike , because not having double blue means that it is easier to cast than other counter spells.

I would personally have a playset of Far / Away . It's one of your best removal spells, and it can get rid of pesky hexproof creatures.

Have you considered Underworld Connections ? Although losing life stinks, it does give you a lot of card advantage.

For sideboard, you might want to think about adding Pithing Needle and Ratchet Bomb.

Honestly though, it's hard to think about a U/B control deck without milling being your main win condition. You can make it work, but it will inherently be more difficult than say U/W or U/R, which are more suited towards control. You might want to consider splashing either white or red for Esper or Grixis, although I can understand if you don't think that it would work without a lot of expensive shock lands.

September 6, 2013 7:12 p.m.

Lord007 says... #18

Tamerlein thanks for all the thought. I took your advice on several things. Let me know of the number of each looks about right to you.

September 6, 2013 9:34 p.m.

Tamerlein says... #19

Looks good. The only thing is that I just can't get behind Grisly Spectacle . Four mana for a kill spell just is too much for this deck.

Although I know how important being instant speed is to this deck, you might want a few copies of Divination , but not too much. The card advantage for such a low cost could really help. Of course, if any better card draw spell ends up being in Theros get that instead. I will say though, I've found that Opportunity has worked really well for me in my Izzet deck, but you might be more concerned with draw spells that have a lower casting cost.

Also, I don't know how I feel about only having 24 lands. Although you don't have too much in the way of high casting cost spells, if you had like 25 it would be easier to hit all your land drops.

September 6, 2013 9:48 p.m.

Tamerlein says... #20

Also, what are your thoughts on discard spells like Duress or Mind Rot ? Thoughtseize will of course be very strong, but I bet it will be pretty expensive.

September 6, 2013 10:05 p.m.

Tamerlein says... #21

Sorry to have ANOTHER comment, but don't forget about Negate and Essence Scatter . While Essence Scatter probably isn't a necessity because of all your creature removal, you probably want to play around with a few copies of Negate , even if you choose to leave them sideboard.

September 6, 2013 10:08 p.m.

Lord007 says... #22

Tamerlein I'll play around with Negate , Essence Scatter will probably stay out due to my large amount of creature removal, Duress is just too situational, Mind Rot is a bit to high cmc and is a sorcery. I think I'd rather be able to counter something but I'll play around with it. Grisly Spectacle is a nice unconditional kill spell (besides non artifact) since Murder is rotating. I'll play around with card draw and might include 2-3x Opportunity . Again thanks for the shear amount of thought you put in to this. I really appreciate the help.

September 6, 2013 11:16 p.m.

Lord007 says... #23

What do you guys think about Archaeomancer ?

September 7, 2013 1:48 p.m.

Lord007 says... #24

And Dimir Charm ?

September 7, 2013 1:52 p.m.

Lord007 says... #25

Alright so I got a few comments from some people about replacing Disperse with another counter. I just wanted to clarify that Disperse is actually voyage's end which allows me to scry 1 and possibly return my own creature to my hand.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145083&d=1378001139

September 8, 2013 12:08 p.m.

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