U/B control (Please comment, help needed)

Standard* 2austin5

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jSewell says... #1

I really don't see all of the 1 ofs as a good idea, as well as a lot of these cards don't go well together. Having two win conditions is great, but having them compete for dominance in your deck is not.

Suggestions:1. Dual lands are a must.

  1. More single removal, down to only two semi-wrath effects in mainboard.

  2. Around 6 discard cards, preferably all 1 drops too. (Inquisition of Kozilek , Duress , Despise )4. Less creatures. It's called Blue-Black control because it controls early game then drops creatures late game. I was only running ~4-5 creatures in my u/b deck until Solemn Simulacrum came out and it worked great before and even better now.

  3. Sorin Markov really isn't a great planeswalker in most cases, and Jace, Memory Adept is overpowered by Jace Beleren if you're not going for mill, which I would suggest removing from the decks focus if you are wanting it to be a viable deck.

You can check out my U/B deck here: U/B controlololI've had really good luck with my setup, except against some crazy caw-blades in my area.

If you're not wanting to get a lot of cards that are rotating out, I'd advise investing in some Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and prepare a U/B control artifact deck.

Cheers!

August 11, 2011 10:57 p.m.

2austin5 says... #2

Thank you! The reason I made the two conditions was that if the late game creature fail, then the deck fails. I like sorin but you are right, he isn't the best and something more useful could replace him. Ive tried out agent of bolas decks but I've had to much trouble with them then I wound up trading away my tez's for that reason which I regret now. I'll deff try out these ideas though. Merfolk mesmerist can go along with heron crab for duress's is the first thing, exarch twin is too common at my fnm.

August 12, 2011 12:31 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... #3

There are too many singles. A deck that has one copy of a lot of different cards tends to be much more inconsistent and unreliable than a deck that has multiple copies of a few different cards. Try to find the cards which fit best and do their job better than any of your other options.

UB control has many aspects and can go in several different directions. However, I recommend sticking to a single approach.

For example, it seems like you have some mill going on with Jace, Memory Adept , Archive Trap , and Hedron Crab , however it's not a cohesive strategy for you and therefore is detracting from the effectiveness of your board. Visions of Beyond will almost never trigger for you. That's already 4 cards that can get dropped.

Frost Titan should be replaced with Consecrated Sphinx . the draw power is extremely valuable, especially in UB.

There don't seem to be a lot of control-oriented spells here. You might want to focus a little more on control, even if it's not strictly spell control.

Dual lands are your friends. Drowned Catacomb , Darkslick Shores , and Creeping Tar Pit are all solid lands in UB.

August 12, 2011 12:56 a.m.

2austin5 says... #4

The reason for one off right now is that mono black control is starting to take a hold in my area and I don't know how to answer that yet so I wouldn't want key cards getting extracted. Ill look into the sphinx, its a tough choice though because as much as I like having card advantage, the Frost Titan works very effectively after a board wipe. I'll have to experiment with it.

August 12, 2011 10:20 a.m.

lykideus says... #5

My advice: Consolidate. At the moment, you have a lot of 1-ofs, or 2-ofs. What that suggests to me is that, like someone with off and on constipation, this deck is inconsistent. (That was a joke. Ha. Ha.)

From going over it, it seems like you are trying to do too much. I understand wanting to have two win conditions, but as it is currently, it seems like they aren't really helping each other much.

At any rate, let's get onto the cards.

Cancel is strictly worse than Dissipate . You should find more Dissipate s.

Given that you are running black, you have access to better removal than Dismember , in the form of Doom Blade and Go for the Throat .

Dream Twist is bad. No two ways about it. It is card disadvantage. If you really want to go the mill route, let the equipments do it for you, one-time things like instants and sorceries.

Doom Blade is better than Go for the Throat right now, but Go for the Throat is better than nothing. You should add some additional Doom Blade s though.

More Mana Leak s. 'Nuff said.

Another Drowned Catacomb s would be nice, as would four Darkslick Shores . Another one or two Nephalia Drownyard would also be a prudent investment. You should also up your land count. There is a reason that pros run 26+ lands in UB Control.

Sword of Body and Mind is a lot better than Trepanation Blade . If you can, you should get more of them.

All your creatures are solid. I will have a note in a bit about Vault Skirge , but I will get to that.

Not a lot to say about your Sorceries... They are all solid, but not amazing.

Sorin Markov seems out of place. I'd drop him.

Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas seems crammed in. Sure, he lets you dig for artifacts you need, but so does Ponder . I understand that he is amazing, he just doesn't seem to have as much synergy as I'd like.

My biggest hard change suggestion: Reassembling Skeleton . In conjunction with Swords, he is a boss. You wrath, then bring him back to chip away at them, after re-swording him. You chump block their dudes all day. He is incredibly versatile. I would say he is much better than Vault Skirge , even considering Vault Skirge 's interaction with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas .

November 27, 2011 1:17 a.m.

2austin5 says... #6

Thanks you. I'll test these out a post how its doing.

November 27, 2011 10:37 a.m.

snorlaxx143 says... #7

What about Phyrexian Obliterator ? I like the idea. +1!

December 12, 2011 12:17 p.m.

2austin5 says... #8

I like Phyrexian Obliterator but the fact that this deck is U/B just makes it a tad difficult to play with a 4B cost. Its an idea that I'll try out however and see if it works.

December 12, 2011 1:45 p.m.

NewYork01 says... #9

for one, you're gonna want to -2 Cancel and +2 Dissipate it's just a better card. and - Divination and + Forbidden Alchemy . also getting 3 Darkslick Shores and 1 more Drowned Catacomb will help your mana. I also like having 2 Ghost Quarter and 2 Nephalia Drownyard main deck

December 24, 2011 12:15 a.m.

2austin5 says... #10

the reason i don't have Dissipate is because i main board Surgical Extraction and dissipating doesn't flow well with that. I've tried it and lost because of the dissipate. As for Forbidden Alchemy , I've considered it and decided that because i have no graveyard functions its not as beneficial as Divination . i agree with the lands 100% I'm just having trouble getting them(college student with no money).

December 24, 2011 12:19 a.m.

NewYork01 says... #11

Feel free to lookat my crappy control for any ideas Control(FNM Help plz)

December 24, 2011 12:25 a.m.

MitchMan1992 says... #12

I think that Despise might help against fast aggro decks and would work well with Surgical Extraction .

December 27, 2011 11:43 a.m.

2austin5 says... #13

I like the idea, but what would you take out for the despise?

December 27, 2011 11:47 a.m.

XxTracTxX says... #14

Swap out the gitaxian probe for the despise

December 30, 2011 4:01 p.m.

2austin5 says... #15

is that the best choice? just because the probe is a nice card draw and it lets me prepare for what is coming better

December 30, 2011 4:06 p.m.

XxTracTxX says... #16

And you need more land, any control deck needs 26+ lands, you're running 6 cards with 6 to cast, you don't wanna be tapped out, you are a control player, you want mana open

December 30, 2011 4:06 p.m.

XxTracTxX says... #17

You already have card draw, you want to get Rid of your opponents options

December 30, 2011 4:08 p.m.

2austin5 says... #18

alright, I will give that a shot and see how it works

December 30, 2011 4:09 p.m.

Clarque says... #19

+1'd. I like the concept a lot, and it's really well built.

January 7, 2012 4:49 p.m.

2austin5 says... #20

Thank you! I just need something fixed but i'm not sure what because while the build may be solid, it isn't winning as often as it should be

January 7, 2012 4:54 p.m.

XxTracTxX says... #21

against what matchups?

January 7, 2012 11:42 p.m.

XxTracTxX says... #22

sword of body & Mind feels kind of awkward in the deck, i saw swap it out

January 7, 2012 11:44 p.m.

2austin5 says... #23

i have trouble against b/u infect and I'm having issues with some kessig decks both on poison and lethal and without them hardly ever using the kessig

January 7, 2012 11:45 p.m.

XxTracTxX says... #24

and you need 26 land bro, control decks dont want to miss land drops and the amount of big drops, your gonna be playing tap out control

January 7, 2012 11:45 p.m.

2austin5 says... #25

yea for the last fnm this main board was changed a bit i had made it 25 land, took out grave titan,unburial rites, and sword replaced the probes with despise and main boarded a memoricide

January 7, 2012 11:49 p.m.

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