Thanks for your input, I think I'm going to drop Sword of Body and Mind and Psychic Drain and sideboard Oona, Queen of the Fae for decks with a lot of flying. Now that you mention it I'm considering Crypt Incursion and Breaking / Entering .
I like Increasing Confusion because it flashbacks for double mill, and it seems to work well. I also like Hedron Crab , it's a 1 drop cannon fodder that also mills.
July 9, 2013 1:52 a.m.
quantumgamer13 says... #3
i just had a quick glance at this deck and it looks terrific, this is one of the best mill decks i have seen. i would add in crypt incursion because i played it once and gained 150 life. it may lower consuming aberrations hit points but it is worth it.
July 9, 2013 5:12 a.m.
quantumgamer13 Thanks, I'm really trying to make this deck work. I'm definitely going to pick up a few Crypt Incursion to sideboard for reanimate decks, I'm not too worried about the loss of power to Consuming Aberration because by the time I get it out it's usually rediculously big.
July 9, 2013 8:52 p.m.
crystalizeq I forgot to mention how Dimir Aqueduct and Hedron Crab work together. I can play a land multiple times and keep milling and it has never really slowed me down.
July 9, 2013 9:01 p.m.
ygamretuta says... #6
For non-standard mill, you just can't pass up the Mindcrank -Duskmantle Guildmage combo. If you have them on the field, mill even just one card and you already have won the game.
July 11, 2013 9:04 p.m.
Formortiis says... #7
you just can't pass up the Mindcrank -Duskmantle Guildmage combo.
That is a monumentally stupid combo and I'm tired of people trying to suggest it and justify it. Your goal as a mill deck is to try to win through mill, not through damage. Adding those two cards takes away from resources that would be better allocated towards mill cards you can actually rely on like the Glimpse the Unthinkable suggested earlier.
Aside from that, the mill deck does look rather decent. The only real problems are that Keening Stone and Curse of the Bloody Tome are way too slow for what you're trying to do. In order for mill to be successful, it has to do it fast. Something that will help speed is Snapcaster Mage who can recycle your Mind Sculpts and Glimpse the Unthinkables.
July 11, 2013 9:24 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #8
Dear God, man, the last half dozen or so Mill decks I've looked at, all I've found is you acting like an ass to these people. Jeez, man, leave them alone, you don't need to just bitch at people all the time. Or maybe you do, because you feed off of negative human emotions and all I'm doing is making you stronger.
That Mindcrank and Duskmantle Guildmage combo? It doesn't just provide damage, it also mills them. And guess what, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Progenitus , Worldspine Wurm , Elixir of Immortality , Laboratory Maniac . You know what all of these do? They screw over Mill. I realize they aren't in all decks, but the ones that they are in are a bitch to mill out because the deck always has the damn things in it.
So stop bitching about people and really stop calling their suggestions stupid just because YOU don't like them.
Other than that, this is a very nice deck kraken47. +1
July 11, 2013 9:44 p.m.
Formortiis The only reason I don't have Glimpse the Unthinkable or Snapcaster Mage is because of the price tag. I completely agree with you about the Mindcrank -Duskmantle Guildmage combo, it's not how mill decks work. I'm thinking of dropping Increasing Confusion for some of the cards on my maybe board.
July 11, 2013 9:47 p.m.
Formortiis says... #10
That Mindcrank and Duskmantle Guildmage combo? It doesn't just provide damage, it also mills them.
It mills them using other actual mill resources that should be used in place of these cards. Of the two cards themselves, the only card that actually mills is Duskmantle Guildmage and he's even slower than Curse of the Bloody Tome as far as a dedicated mill card goes. Face it, these cards are B-A-D bad. This is especially true for a format where mill is taken even less seriously.
And guess what, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Progenitus , Worldspine Wurm , Elixir of Immortality , Laboratory Maniac . You know what all of these do? They screw over Mill. I realize they aren't in all decks, but the ones that they are in are a bitch to mill out because the deck always has the damn things in it.
Of the cards that you listed, the only ones that are legitimate threats to mill are the legendary Eldrazi and even then they're only maindecked very rarely and sideboarded even more rarely (because no one takes mill seriously as an archetype). If these cards really are that big of a problem, then there is a sideboard exists to put things like Leyline of the Void , Extirpate , and Surgical Extraction .
So stop bitching about people and really stop calling their suggestions stupid just because YOU don't like them.
I call these suggestions bad not just because I don't like them, but because they ARE bad. Mill is already laughed at as an archetype as it is. It doesn't need suggestions that only reinforce the stereotype that all mill players are bad players.
July 11, 2013 9:52 p.m.
Formortiis says... #11
The only reason I don't have Glimpse the Unthinkable or Snapcaster Mage is because of the price tag.
Well Keening Stone and Curse of the Bloody Tome aren't exactly good substitutes. If price tag is the problem, then there's a myriad of other useable mill cards like Archive Trap (Because pretty much every modern deck runs fetches to trigger its alternate cost), Traumatize , or Haunting Echoes .
July 11, 2013 10 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 Thank you for your vote. I don't want to get in between you and Formortiis but I don't think that combo is really effective, it's slow and hogs mana. I find that mill is best played fast. In my experience it's either all or nothing with mill.
July 11, 2013 10:03 p.m.
Formortiis I'm thinking of droping Curse of the Bloody Tome . Archive Trap looks real good. I have Traumatize but that only seems good against huge decks, and I have Haunting Echoes on the way.
July 11, 2013 10:11 p.m.
Formortiis; Keening Stone is an end game card and I might use Crypt Incursion and sideboard Haunting Echoes
July 11, 2013 10:31 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #15
Oh, maybe side board a copy of Sadistic Sacrament or two. I know it's kind of expensive, but being able to get rid of specific cards can be really helpful. Like thinning the deck of land and then grinding (the milling until you hit a land). Or get rid of a Tarmogoyf or similar threat.
July 11, 2013 10:45 p.m.
Formortiis says... #16
If your endgame card takes until turn 7 to activate, then you better make damn sure it can win you the game and I'm not entirely confident Keening Stone can. Plus it seems like a massive mana sink if you can't.
As for Sadistic Sacrament, it WOULD be good if it costed 1 or 2, but because it doesn't, it's not a very good card to try and utilize.
July 11, 2013 10:55 p.m.
Formortiis I say it's end game because once I play it you have one turn to win. If your playing mill and haven't burnt at least half their library by your sixth turn your doing it wrong.
July 11, 2013 11:06 p.m.
@ Formortiis, for real. Keening stone is game over. If you weren't a complete pleb you would be able to grasp this simple concept. Any miller worth his salt will have ATLEAST 30 cards in the opponents GY by turn 7.
July 11, 2013 11:12 p.m.
@ Formortiis Try to be more of a whiney child, I bet you can't. And guess what pleb? 90% of modern decks aren't running Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or shit like it. Those kinds of effects are infinitesimally small and are entirely negligible. Formortiis find a bridge. Instead of attacking people deck be polite and make suggestions instead of criticizing. Hop off his fucking jock
July 11, 2013 11:22 p.m.
@Formortiis Have you ever played with a mill deck? Do you even know what milling is? I don't want any whiney 12 year olds bothering real magic players trying to give me actual advice.Please don't comment unless you have something constructive to say.
July 11, 2013 11:30 p.m.
@ Formortiis lol for real your first comment starts with ''That is a monumentally stupid combo" lol your'e probably that ''better than thou'' douche bag mtg player who everyone silently hates at their local shop. Players like you are the WORST!
July 11, 2013 11:34 p.m.
ygamretuta says... #23
haha, enought with the hate guys. Let me just presend my side with the "Crankmantle" combo. First of all, it is not slow. turn 2 Duskmantle Guildmage , turn 3 Mindcrank , turn 4 activate Duskmantle Guildmage with a one CMC mill card(Dream Twist Thought Scour Tome Scour ) or a 2cmc at turn 5 Glimpse the Unthinkable , Breaking , Mind Sculpt ). I dont' see how that is slow or even costly, but I am willing to be enlightened
July 11, 2013 11:36 p.m.
ygamretuta Your going after their life. If you're trying to mill for the win then you have to commit. With mill it's everything or nothing. Cheap blockers and lots of mill instants/sorcerys
crystalizeq says... #1
Glimpse the Unthinkable is an option for your deck, if you want to put more black in. And a similar card to that is Breaking / Entering , which is also a good card.
My experiences with Hedron Crab haven't been all too great, he hasn't milled all that many cards for me, and many times I have had to kill him early game due to threats. Also, Oona, Queen of the Fae isn't all too good. By the time you are at 6 mana, you should have better things to do than sink your mana into a card you have already payed 6 mana to play. It won't mill too much, but it will create chump-blockers, which is good, but against anything with trample, is bad. I also don't like Increasing Confusion too much. If you are going to have spells with X in them, Mind Grind would be a good choice.
Also, if you are using Psychic Drain to gain life, it is much better to use Crypt Incursion .
Also, I would suggest to take out the Sword of Body and Mind . The reason being, is that you have 8 creatures that you can attack with (I am not counting Hedron Crab because I don't exactly expect you to attack with him). So I highly doubt that you can actually pull that off, especially because you have to deal combat damage.
Also, this is just personal preference, but I don't like to use Dimir Aqueduct because of the slowness of it. But that is just a personal opinion.
I also have a mill deck if you can check it out, it might also give you an idea for yours: DiMill. Good luck with your deck :)
July 9, 2013 12:19 a.m.