@Bandicoot, bitches don't know about Black Knight

Any miller worth his salt will have ATLEAST 30 cards in the opponents GY by turn 7.

Any miller would also be dead by turn 7 meaning Keening Stone is still useless.

And guess what pleb? 90% of modern decks aren't running Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or shit like it. Those kinds of effects are infinitesimally small and are entirely negligible.

If you'll read the comments, you'll see I wasn't the one who said they were. Are you telling me you don't know how to read?

your'e probably that ''better than thou'' douche bag mtg player who everyone silently hates at their local shop.

If you must know, everyone at my LGS is hyper-competitive and I'm about in the middle as far as how good and competitive the players there are. This should give you an idea about how intense the meta is and why I know so much more than you.

First of all, it is not slow. turn 2 Duskmantle Guildmage , turn 3 Mindcrank , turn 4 activate Duskmantle Guildmage with a one CMC mill card(Dream Twist Thought Scour Tome Scour ) or a 2cmc at turn 5 Glimpse the Unthinkable , Breaking , Mind Sculpt ). I dont' see how that is slow or even costly, but I am willing to be enlightened

I never said it was slow. I said it was bad. There is a difference. Not only do you have to magically assemble all of the combo pieces in a matter of the first 3 turns, but you have to protect them as well which is unbelievably hard to do when aggro decks are not only chock full of Path to Exile s and Lightning Bolt s to answer the mage, but can deal enough damage to kill you before your Mindcrank has a chance to kill them. Instead of trying to kill them with damage, your resources are better allocated towards controlling the board so aggro doesn't beat your face in or more cards that do what the deck was suppose to do in the first place: Mill.

Seriously fuck this cat, 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man

It's hard to sound credible when no one can understand what you're trying to communicate. All your really doing with this statement is making yourself sound like an unintelligent philistine.

Oh, I actually looked at the little prick's profile. He doesn't even have a mill deck. Even I posted one out of the half dozen I've made.

I've actually thought about it just so I could show people what a mill deck is actually suppose to look like if it's trying to be good. The reason I haven't is because I've already accepted mill is never going to be good and don't even bother.

@ Formortiis

If you've accepted that mill will never be good and that it will never be good, then stop being such a prick on other people's mill decks. Seriously, you're just being a douche which attracts the trolls. Which is what my two compatriots have been doing, trolling.And congratulations on feeding them.

Oh, and you can go fuck yourself if you think mill isn't good. It's fucking fantastic.

Oh, and if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna shut down my computer and ignore the internet for the rest of the day. Time to go live life.

Formortiis lol doesn't matter your'e still a faget

Which is what my two compatriots have been doing, trolling.

No, what you and your friend have done is unintelligently spamming like a child which can get you banned. All I've done is post simple truths that you and your friends simply don't want to accept and mistaken it for trolling.

Oh, and you can go fuck yourself if you think mill isn't good. It's fucking fantastic.

Then point me to a mill deck that has placed in a noteworthy Modern tournament or 4-0'ed on MTGO Modern Daily. You can't because mill has done no such thing.

Formortiis aka the Black Knight plebian

You do realize throwing random insults proves nothing, right?

I'm not the one with something to prove. Only thing im trying to prove is that you fucking suck

Well you're failing monumentally at that, then.

derp

Hahahahahahaha oh my god you guys...

I like this deck. I think saying mill is an all-or-nothing strategy is a bit...naive though. Modern is a fast format, and control is definitely having a hard time getting a foothold. Some form of combo, IMHO is probably the best way to guarantee your survival. Whether its the Mindcrank +Duskmantle Guildmage combo or what...your call.

Also, since you're only two colors I'd consider maindecking some Ghost Quarter s to help you fight Tron, or any of those other bastardy utility lands out there. Worst comes to worse, you blow up one of their duals and when they search for a basic you Archive Trap them.

Or GQ yourself to trigger Hedron Crab

Fuck me, I was just looking at Mindcrank and Duskmantle Guildmage do they perpetuate each other? Is all I have to do get those 2 out and deal 1 damage or mill 1 card and I win?

@kraken47 that's exactly what I'm talking about. turn 2 mage, turn 3 crank, from there just mill a card by any means and you pretty much have bagged the game already

ygamretuta Shit I'm sorry, I don't know how I missed that before. I just ordered those cards.

and should anyone justify that these are not mill cards by nature, both of them will cause an infinite mill. also, having played mill against lots of decks, I agree with jminute14 that going with pure mill as a win con is naive. it's slow, and it's too vulnerable against Elixir of Immortality , Psychic Spiral and any creature which shuffles itself and a player's graveyard back, like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . Duskmantle Guildmage offers you option. It can work so well with Mindcrank , Jace, Memory Adept , Traumatize , Keening Stone .

your worst enemy though, are reanimators (assuming you can't get a side Grafdigger's Cage . I can't tell you how many games I've lost to Human reanimator (Angel of Glory's Rise , Undercity Informer combo) and Junk or RBW reanimator. However, with Unburial Rites rotating, we may have a breather. However, you now have Grim Return from M14! That's why you may need Crypt Incursion and Grafdigger's Cage in the sideboard

holy crap I was babbling nonsense about the rotations. I totally forgot you were playing Modern because I usually play Standard. my apologies

ygamretuta I have Crypt Incursion and Haunting Echoes on the way to fight reanimate decks. Grafdigger's Cage looks good I'll have to remember that when I place my next order.

jminute14 I'm going to pick up Ghost Quarter and Archive Trap , thanks for the tip.

I like this deck. I think saying mill is an all-or-nothing strategy is a bit...naive though. Modern is a fast format, and control is definitely having a hard time getting a foothold.

I'm going to assume you don't actually play modern, then, because American Control is doing just fine.

Some form of combo, IMHO is probably the best way to guarantee your survival.

The problem with combo is that, if you don't assemble them both, you're stuck with 2 very useless cards. A combo deck like Melira Pod or Jiki Pod works because, not only do those cards combo with multiple pieces and can tutor for them, but more importantly it doesn't need them to win. Mill as it stands now is far too fragile to attempt winning through combo. The only way this combo could work is if this deck became dedicated U/B control and even then there are substantially better and more reliable win conditions.

it's slow, and it's too vulnerable against Elixir of Immortality , Psychic Spiral and any creature which shuffles itself and a player's graveyard back, like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn .

It needs to be stated now that these cards rarely (if ever) are in modern because no one takes mill seriously enough to sideboard tech against it.

Since we're talking about sideboards, try the ever-reliable Pithing Needle . It can stop planeswalkers and lands with activated abilities (most innistrad utility lands) and pretty much anything with non-mana activated ability all for 1 CMC. Also, I agree that Grafdigger's Cage is so good against reanimator and flashback decks, again, for 1 CMC. It doesn't get any better than that, and the best part is, they're so cheap.

Also, I agree with @Formortiis about the combo, which may be the case with Mindcrank being a dead card if you can't get a Duskmantle Guildmage out. However, the mage by itself is a 2/2 body and can work with pretty much any mill cards: your Breaking , Jace, Memory Adept and Keening Stone , so it being a dead card is highly unlikely. So you may have a combo but risk a dead card(Mindcrank , that's why you may keep the crank at 2x. I did however mention that they are additional options.

I picked up Dimir Infiltrator to help get the cards I need. I'm also thinking about Maralen of the Mornsong .