VampireArmy says... #2
I've played that version. It dies to anything with even a tiny bit of tempo. Loses hard to grixis of any kind, uwr of any kind, junk if they draw anything except all creatures. Like it's just brutally out matched by this meta
November 21, 2015 1:24 p.m.
So many name changes. What are you trying to do with this list? Is this a land destruction based list now? Have you tested it out any?
November 21, 2015 1:36 p.m.
Consider putting Mana Tithe in the deck. With this much land destruction, the white-counterspell is like throwing salt in the wounds and it's likely going to counter everything for one mana if you play the deck right.
November 21, 2015 1:41 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #5
That's the problem with a rogue Deck with too many options. You end up changing a lot. Basically the jund esque list won't work for reasons detailed earlier. Truthfully I'm trying to pinpoint this colors niche. Control might do it. I'm testing out a list i found online and more than likely doing edits from there
Im iffy on the 27 land package but i really think denying my opponent all the resources i can while slowly killing via bitterblissom and tokens could be a legit plan.
November 21, 2015 1:41 p.m.
27 lands seems like an awful lot of lands. That's more than most control decks run. Even with 6 Smallpox like affects, it seems too high of a number.
November 21, 2015 1:49 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #7
It might be worth to drop the booms and 3 lands for 2 terminates and some amount of discard.
November 21, 2015 1:53 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #8
I should repeat the need for Auriok Champion. In the more tempo/removal build it makes you automatically win against tempo and Grixis. It makes you last 5 more turns against Junk giving you plenty of time to finish them off. The tempo/removal mardu with YP should require protection grants to get by the removal weakness, and allows you to alpha strike them through their tokens. Note that the tempo/removal plan will require Butcher of the Horde.
You want a finisher? Gideon, Ally of Zendikar will finish things for you, Ajani Vengeant won't. There's too many creatures in this meta for Ajani Vengeant to reliably stall the board. You might have all the removal, but it takes 3 turns for Ajani Vengeant to activate 2 Lightning Helixes. Gideon plops down a token when he comes out than swings for 5 the next turn.
Course none of these things work in this current build. You should really keep a tally of each different build you make in separate deck lists somewhere, and then link each version you made in this one with T/O's js script under a spoiler. It'll help organize your thoughts on which version you prefer.
November 21, 2015 1:53 p.m.
Additional removal and hand disruption would go a lot farther I think.m
November 21, 2015 1:54 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #10
I definitely should. I don't know how to do scripts though so I'll end up hyperlinking them on here.
In fairness I'll build a token tempo deck for comparison sake
November 21, 2015 1:59 p.m.
I can confirm that Auriok Champion is damn good against a lot of things. I've won every game that I've been able to get out Bitterblossom, Auriok Champion, and Liliana of the Veil out together. The ultimate grind trifecta.
November 21, 2015 2:03 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #13
I'd play 26 lands. It's important not to lock yourself out, even though you do have Flagstones.
November 21, 2015 3:19 p.m.
Fetid Heath makes a turn two combo with Flagstones of Trokair and Small Pox.
November 21, 2015 3:24 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #15
So you did decide to go Pox :) Looking good, though I think some more discard would be welcome (3 Inquisition of Kozilek, 1-2 Thoughtseize?). Other than that, I would also find a place for one more Kolaghan's Command and Gurmag Angler. But I definitely dig the new look.
November 21, 2015 6:05 p.m.
do you play it often? like FNMs and Trials? I would be very interested in seeing standings and match ups posted. maybe even a small breakdown of the games.
November 26, 2015 5:29 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
magiceli Had to use Chandra over him. the deck needs card draw to keep the pressure on and find my win cons. She also can win via ultimate on bolt or something.
SharpJs i've been testing here and there via cockatrice but I don't have the money to get it on MTGO or something. If I can, I'll try to make a video series about it some day.
CharlesMandore it's currently the best manland in these colors. If Indignation Cliffs - RW (4/2 first strike for 3) is real, I'll run 4 of those instead as it can at least finish the game. Yes they all die to bolt but running control without any manlands seems suicide.
November 26, 2015 12:55 p.m.
I think you could have a Butcher of the Horde as a pretty useful beater.
January 3, 2016 6:29 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #23
Don't think i need butcher. I'm finisher light on purpose. Will reconsider in the future if i need to
Not looking to play enchant lands. Abrupt Decay is a thing.
January 3, 2016 5:20 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #25
Should be fine if you are running Smallpox. It won't hurt your mana base as much.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #1
I dunno about mardu pox. I like the more aggro approach.
As for comparing to Jund, they can't match your removal. Ever. Your removal is so much more efficient and there's a lot more of it such that instead of playing to beat their creatures with your creatures, play on the back of your removal. I REALLY like Glistner's idea of an aggro/tempo/removal build. Play around with the tokens especially. Being able to go wide while keeping their board clear with efficient removal and lots of tokens sounds like a deck to me.
November 21, 2015 1:19 p.m.