MattN7498 I honestly forgot about Kolaghans haste lol. My bad

Love this Dragon build, I have a morophon dragon list really similar to this but a little more combo with jodah and such. Might convert to this.

Maybe you answered this in the past, but I can't find it... why no Sol Ring or Arcane Signet?

do you plan on making a update for vow or are you just going to wait till neon dynasty?

Maotroxx Yeah man! Probably not as powerful if you have lots of combos in your version but definitely a lot of fun!

jasinatael I took Sol Ring out years ago and haven't really felt the need for it but it would be the only artifact mana I'd consider bringing back. This deck is super mana hungry to where if you're deck is full of a lot of rocks and you get wiped you'll never catch up. I prefer land ramp or the insane artifacts with other abilities that way you're guaranteed to have lots of mana later for potential wipes. And there's been some draws with the 5C spells that having Sol Ring doesn't really work with well.

Jator Yeahhhh sorry haven't played much EDH recently. Vow didn't really bring anything worth adding so I kinda just skipped over it because I just made some utility changes. Neon will get an update in the next week and the primer as well.

I'm glad to see more lands! I would suggest you drop Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God though. Doesn't seem to be worth the difficult casting cost. Maybe add Nature's Lore instead.

I'm surprised I thought you were going to add Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa

or maybe even The Kami War  ^Flip

Jator Sorry forgot those were cards because I was off them so much. I’ll update the reasoning later.

Did you find you didn't have enough lands, and so went up to 38? I run 36 lands in my Ur-Dragon but also have the benefit of original duals as well. While I know I could optimize my land base more(more fetchlands), I like the Lairs and Triomes for dragon flavor.

I think you may be underestimating Kairi, the Swirling Sky firsts ability to just wreck the different kinds of token decks tokens. But that may be more LGS/play group dependent.(lots of token decks where I am) I also run Molten Echoes for shenanigans in my deck so getting the death trigger isn't to hard.

Taskmage Yeah not having OG messes with the potential perfect mana base as there are some dual lands I'd lick to have access to multiples in the deck. But yes this deck wants to be hitting a land drop every single turn with how many hungry it is so trying to maximize on that I feel is obtainable with 38 lands. I also understand your feeling on Kairi. I never really looked at that and realized the token sweeping ability but with how useless that ability feels impactwise outside of the token bouncing situation and the other ability not being relevant, it just doesn't feel worth it to me. But if there's lots of tokens in your meta, it completely makes sense to me to want it.

jasinatael Bolas is in here more because I like him for his Mythic Edition art he has, denying opponents cards/resources at opportunity times and a non combat winning ultimate. If I wanted to be more optimized there would probably be 10 other cards that shouldn't be in the deck but that's just how I like it. Nature's Lore will probably be getting in the deck when the next set comes out if there are potentailly the other half of the Tri Lands from Ikoria.

Jator Threw those into the update

Hey,

you said if you wanted to play more optimized you would put 10 other cards in what would they be? and which ones would you take out?

Hey man, your deck rocks. I’ve been building it for a friend and it’s a pleasure to play your deck. Thumbs up for the mana base too.

Have you considered Minion of the Mighty?

What cards are excluded from your deck because of power or financial reasons?

Why not add in a demonic tutor or vampiric tutor for some more precise and cheap card draw?

New collection, new cards to analyze. How about Bootleggers' Stash? A worthy addiction or not necesary? Many friends ask to me to put this card, but I'm looking foward to Smuggler's Share

New set has a lot of interesting cards interested to see what you end up changing.

I would suggest use Bootleggers' Stash with Beledros Witherbloom to make some good interactions. Even Atsushi, the Blazing Sky maybe switch with Moonveil Regent, because 3CMC with flying, trample, 4/4 it's a fair creature, and create 3 treasures can be used with the reanimation part of deck. Goldspan Dragon can power up even more this strategies, and we have access to Old Gnawbone. It's just a idea to improve more treasures and reanimators sides of the deck.

Silumgar's Scorn doesn't enter in Dragon Tribal requirement? It's nearly impossible not having a dragon card in hand, and this low mana instant counters anything.

Pascal1993 I would take out some of the bigger and expensive cards for more interaction, tutors and removal. With this deck, in wanting to get all the cool dragon stuff in, there's a tradeoff of slots you're allowing yourself to be able to do that. With everything I have included, I want to be playing these dragons which can only leave so much room for the cheaper cards mentioned.

Delrimus Thanks! I haven't really because there's a lot of situations where you're wanting to drop this card and attack to get the trigger and expecting the table to go around a whole turn is just asking too much. And there may be even some instances where you don't have a 6 power dragon as there are some lower power dragons in the deck. These types of effects are more efficient on other cards like Sneak Attack which I think are better for the deck.

Drboom151 Other fetches, expensive tutors, original dual lands, etc. They don't really add to the dragon themed deck idea. You can certainly do it if you have the cards/want to. I just don't think they're necessary for what I'm wanting :)

Willen So Bootleggers' Stash does nothing in this deck that can't make use of the artifacts or is a dedicated lands deck. Even if it combos with one dragon, which is one asking for a lot and two isn't good enough. It's a 6 mana do nothing artifact when you cast it. Then during your next turn, to make use of the effect, you have to cast nothing to get treasures. Sure you might be able to make 1-2 mana at the end of each turn if you don't use all your mana but there are cheaper cards that can do that better and expecting this card to live when artifacts can be easily destroyed in this format just isn't enough. It's better in a Korvold deck where you can instantly convert it into actual resources. Atsushi, the Blazing Sky isn't exciting enough or impactful enough for me to include him. The first effect might end up in spots where you're not able to actually cast the cards and lose out on access to them in your deck. And even if there are a small amount of treasure synergy cards, having 3 cards to justify when the list is already tight isn't enough for me. Plus there's going to be better dragons coming in the future. With Smuggler's Share, I was on this card when it spoiled but after looking it, I compare it to Rhystic Study. I don't have it in the deck anymore as I felt like I didn't need it on top of the other dragon related enchantments I already have. Even if I'm able to get the value on other peoples turns, it feels very Monologue Tax like to me as I'm always wanting it to trigger rather than having to rely on my opponents. So if I'm not running Rhystic, why bother running this? And no, Silumgar's Scorn doesn't justify running one counter spell. If I wanted this effect, I would just run Counterspell. But having these few slots dedicated to a small things dilutes the deck. If you're does a lot of small things of things then it doesn't do anything. I'm wanting to ramp and cast dragons early and start beating face. If my dragons die, that's okay I'll just bring them back later. Having one ace in the hole counterspell for when your stuff is about to get destroyed is a very specific scenario for wanting one of this of card. Not to mention they could a counterspell of their own and theres two other opponents. You'd want to run more of these types of cards which I'm not interested in doing.

the new dungeons and dragons set seems to have a few cards worth checking out so far.

Love the deck and have been playing it regularly. There’s a new card that just leaked from the new commander set called Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm which makes copies of non token dragons which aren’t legendary so it’s a pretty big asset for this deck I think.

Only thing I would change in this deck is either add a tutor or more interaction cards as the higher level decks will counter you and lock you out on the table.

MattN749 are you seeing these Baldur's Gate spoilers?!! XD