SynergyBuild the card has use cases where it's good, yea, but over the times that I've had it in my deck, the number of times where I either:

• A: Had it sit dead in my hand because I couldn't win the same turn I would cast it
• B: Jammed it out and crossed my fingers to live the turn cycle, and then just died

Were far too many. As for Imp's Mischief , good catch, should have mentioned it. The card's definitely fine. I'm not super psyched about paying in life and paying 2 mana to potentially protect a wincon, but it's like, one of the only pieces of stack interaction that we get so... lol.

Also, you are gonna regret saying Dosan the Falling Leaf is bad when they print a drop 0/2 persist defender wall, so you can fetch it, dosan, melira, and disciple xD

I got Imp's Mischief in. Praetor's Grasp is something i was considering but never really get to play/try. I think it's about time. Boseiju might tax our speed coz that means for it to actually protect our early combo, it should be coming in tapped during our first few turns. But I guess that's the price of opting for a more setup win.

Xanthid and Hope of Ghirapur are something I can try as well.

Your list is awesome man! Im playing wirh it, almost the same but i decided to keep Mikaeus and Ballista over mox diamond and Ad Nauseam, the deck fast and very tricky even with grave hatters all around the board. Thx for the hard work, i will play it for a long looong time

Do we need Mirri's Guile at all?

chopsueyrice It was considered in the early life of the deck, but due to a couple of reasons, I've avoided it since testing it out. First of all, it's a fairly slow card; To get the full use out of it you want to play it early, which messes with our T1 Dork -> T2 Varolz curve, and then you usually need sources of shuffling to clear the top 3 when needed, which we're also a bit light on to be completely honest. (The reason Sylvan Library is different is because it can clear the top 3 on its own just through use of life total, which is much better)

I love this list and the way the lines play out, so I made a budget version at a lower price point.($400) https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/varolz-the-incredible-hulk/?cb=1569683472 Let me know what I could add or replace to get it a little smoother for around that cost.

Ignore my comment of the budget list the deck is scrapped now.

I really like this deck! Congrats! Picked this one as my first CEDH deck and so far it's been loads of fun.

Any mainboard swaps you might suggest for tag-team EDH? Scheming Symmetry seems like an obvious inclusion.

Also, what are your thoughts on Noxious Revival ?

How does this deck fair out with ashiok and similar abilities that stops you from searching? Do you consider putting graveyard reshuffle lines in case several of your wincon creatures gets wiped out? Been considering to build this deck but these concerns hold me back.

Have you ever been in a scenario wherein you wish you had an alternative wincon?

Late responses again, sorry:

Drake_N Scheming Symmetry is fantastic in any form of 2v2 EDH, it would definitely be a swap that I'd go for. Hand attack also tends to get a lot better, so I'd look at including maybe an Inquisition of Kozilek as well. Death's Shadow and Phyrexian Dreadnought also become a lot more playable in 2v2, as making the game 2v1 will win most of the time as well, so consider adding those. Nox is playable, but more often than not I wasn't finding it more useful than the next best slot, most of the time just needing to use it to flash back a top of deck tutor (yuck) or to get back a fetchland to make a land drop (extra yuck). If you find yourself needing more graveyard recursion though, I'd encourage testing it back out.

Seeker88 Ashiok/Stranglehold/Aven Mindcensor effectively just kill this deck outright, and there's not much you can really do about it tbh. You can definitely have draws that mitigate those, with either Ad Naus or Necropotence, but overall they're just hate pieces that you mostly lose to, no matter what you're doing. The deck already has Golgari Thug to mitigate having one of your win pieces in the graveyard to help with that issue, but if you're losing multiple pieces, there's not really a good solution. I'd look at potentially including Noxious revival and Regrowth if that is really an issue, as there really aren't any other cards that you can get inside of a hulk pile to solve that. As for alt wincons, there are times that I've wanted them, but they're fairly few and far between, and even when you would want a second option, the quality of wincons past Hulk in GB drops off drastically, the next best would probably be SquirrelCraft, which is honestly just terrible. Especially with access to both Thug and Riftsweeper, you're almost never going to be in a position where you can't win with the hulk pile. I'm glad that you're taking an interest in the deck! It does have issues, especially lacking in the grind game and missing blue, so if you're looking for a deck that will consistently do well at the top of the format, I can't really recommend it, but it's a blast to play if that's not as much of a concern.

I've seen hermit druid Varolz Hulk piles.

Mogis's Marauder , Deathrite Shaman , and Hermit Druid aiming for a Necrotic Ooze pile to win past that.

Backup for hulk is just normal druid xD

sickrobot Thank you so much for your feedback! I played the 2v2 tournament last Saturday and it was fun, but i realized not having blue hurts quite a bit in those formats. So i am upgrading this deck into your 4 color Shuffle hulk, that way i can keep playing both decks where they perform best.

I did include a Duress , Scheming Symmetry , Xantid Swarm and a Force of Vigor . But i will change Duress for Inquisition of Kozilek as you suggested. It hits more troublesome stuff like Aven Mindcensor , Hushbringer .

About the side quest of pummeling one of the two opponents with creatures, i will definitely consider that, since i actually got beaten that way in one match and did not expect that (i did hurt myself quite a bit with lands+necropotence).

I really appreciate the CEDH community, everyone is so helpful and the deck lists are awesome!! See you around :D.

Why is there not enough mana to cast defense grid when you have tons of dorks? Since it lacks blue, i think it should focus on protecting the wincon. How about conqueror's flail. You can play it before the combo turn.

Started to ask why you hadn't switched to Lesser Masticore, but then checked the list. So I guess this is just a reminder to edit your combo explanation (still says wingrattle).

What do you find yourself tutoring up with the extra 1cmc? Safekeeper?

In your experience have the discard or ping on masticore ever been relevant or is it just a cheaper wingrattle?

Since you're usually dependent on Varolz anyways have you considered Mox Amber? Obvious downside of not powering out Varolz any earlier, but I guess it depends on how much mana you need post Varolz.

Hickorysbane

Yea, the description needs an update, but I've been a bit too busy recently (and a bit too lazy), but I'll get around to it eventually.

The 1cmc almost always goes toward Safekeeper, making the pile immune to removal is incredibly good in general, although it's also nice for being able to get a sac outlet without access to Snatcher if there's no Varolz on board already. Masticore's discard is definitely a relevant part of the card, being able to pitch Hulk in a pinch by casting it is pretty nice. The ping is less relevant, but is strict upside over having a Wingrattle on the board.

Amber's just not really what the deck's looking for, and you already sorta nailed why: getting Varolz out is usually going to be the sticking point, after that, we have a lot more mana to work with in general, due to all the rituals and other mana accelerants in the deck, that produce more mana per card investment than Amber does.

We need updates baby! I found this deck and have been playing it for a week now and really enjoy it. I'm personally trying to update it myself but also struggling to find room for things. Would love to see you come out with something new for the deck

Not sure if this is a good card but Saw in Half to target hulk seems pretty decent with varolz out