Vela's toys bring her pleasure and you pain
Commander / EDH*
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Swap out all of the tribal stuff ("choose a creature type") - your creature types are all over the place. Try some card draw instead; I recommend bident of thassa or some similar effects
March 5, 2018 11:05 p.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #3
Nietzsky Some great suggestions, thanks! Ordered a few of them to go in the deck :D
Grumbles Whoops, thanks to pointing that out - I forgot to remove them when I updated the list to convert from Eldrazi in the Out of my way, butt kicking time! deck to this one. And funny enough, Bident and Read the Bones were 2 cards I meant to keep in :D heh
March 6, 2018 10:58 a.m.
WalkingIllusion says... #4
I had a similar idea with her with eldrazis in a yidris deck.
Interesting idea but I think your creature base is lack luster, infect can be a secondary win con but in dimir colors but it's quite weak. I would take out the infect creatures because they don't help you in the slightest, get some counterspells, and maybe revamp the synergy in the artifacts.
March 6, 2018 11:24 a.m.
jpsuchecki says... #5
Scrap Trawler and/or Skeleton Shard for graveyard retrieval. Buried Ruin is a land that does the same thing, but one-time use (still might be worth it). Swap something like Submerged Boneyard for Command Tower. Rhystic Study is a great card draw especially in multiplayer.
If you're considering Throne of Geth consider Contagion Engine as an alternative.
Also, I know some people hate this card but Mycosynth Lattice could work nicely here.
March 6, 2018 4:18 p.m.
Looks good, have you considered Steel Overseer maybe take out Seer's Lantern and add a Voltaic Key
March 8, 2018 3:22 a.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #7
WalkingIllusion The infect stuff was based on the idea that I can use recurrsion to keep using them to drop infect counters on people and the creatures could just walk in. But I did pull all but Inkmoth nexus (because I can use it with hatred to instakill a player if needed) and a Phyrexian Juggernaut (which would work sweet with Blade of Selves and the Mirage Mirror to take out multiple people at once). Blightsteel Colossus is listed but I'm actually running the Darksteel Colossus instead because Blightsteel colossus is kinda boring to play. I may go back to an infect version but I'm liking the direction this is going now. As for your counterspells suggestion, I need to decide if I'm going with cheap CMC counters or some of the bigger ones.
jpsuchecki So Skeleton Shard is a good idea - need to fig out what to replace. Buried Ruin will go in and replace another land - I also have Academy Ruins which is sweet, but more ways to pull from my graveyard gives me more of an excuse to run Codex Shredder ;) Command Tower - not sure how I didn't add that. And probably Command Beacon too since Vela isn't cheap to cast. Rhystic Study... I.. want to add it... but i always want to add it... but "didja pay yer 1?? didja pay yer 1??" really starts to annoy my local group ;)
Ledian Hmm. I think i may have Steel Overseer. I do agree there are better options than Seer's Lantern, and I think I will add Voltaic Key.
Thanks, y'all!
March 8, 2018 11:35 a.m.
elgosu1337 says... #8
I'm surprised not to see Cranial Plating and Mox Opal. Vedalken Archmage could be great for card draw. Noxious Gearhulk seems nice. Grand Architect, Sword of the Animist, and Dowsing Dagger Flip can help ramp. Not sure why you included Stuffy Doll. Maybe a Mirrorworks to copy your creatures and stuff could be good, especially if you are cheating them into play.
March 15, 2018 3:16 p.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #9
elgosu1337 some.good suggestions there! Stuffy is there as a blocker and because its a running joke in my local group. I also like it as local group has a habit of doing damage to all creatures. Its not a "need to keep". The mox opal is too pricey for me for a single card :( the noxious gearhulk doesn't fit as it has a color identity. The rest are pretty good though!
March 15, 2018 4:06 p.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #10
elgosu1337 some.good suggestions there! Stuffy is there as a blocker and because its a running joke in my local group. I also like it as local group has a habit of doing damage to all creatures. Its not a "need to keep". The mox opal is too pricey for me for a single card :( the noxious gearhulk doesn't fit as it has a color identity. The rest are pretty good though!
March 15, 2018 9:22 p.m.
Since you're mainly colorless I would just say have more Mana rocks, Mana Vault I would also say that if you put more swamp type lands in then Crypt Ghast will give you a lot of mana really fast. Quicksilver Amulet is a great card to let you cheat out a Blightsteel Colossus very early in the game
March 23, 2018 9:19 a.m.
I like the deck a lot! Really cool idea building her around artifacts!
I only see one problem here... An extreme lack of Altars. Look I get it you want to play aggro but having a back up plan is good, and there is nothing better than playing Thopter Assembly in repsonse to the end of your opponent's turn getting 6 thopters Sacing them into Ashnod's Altar/Krark-Clan Ironworks getting 12 mana and dealing 6 damage to your opponents... If you need colored mana Phyrexian Altar is also a thing.
Also I think this is very important for creature decks especially you need a Leyline of Anticipation or Vedalken Orrery. I prefer the Leyline because it has a chance to be free, but to each their own. These cards give you the ability to be conservative and avoid the counters/board wipes. Nothing feels worse than to put 10 dudes out an here the words 'Wrath' 'Rift' or 'Damnation' right after.
March 23, 2018 9:51 a.m.
Talonisnthavingit says... #13
Have you thought of Sharding Sphinx? Call me bias, but I love me some thopters and Vela works very well with her. Additionally, Thopter Spy Network can act as a Bident of Thassa in a way, but instead of forcing your opponent creatures to attack it creates a little thopter during your upkeep. Of course, Thopter Assembly would be less useful unless you had a sacrifice outlet on the field, but it's worth it for more Thopters, amirite?
March 29, 2018 4:50 p.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #14
Talonisnthavingit I have thought of Sharding Sphinx but it doesn't fit with unblockable theme and the problem with creature a thopter here and there is that it stops my Thopter Assembly wincons. Not sure how well it'd work overall.
March 30, 2018 10:54 a.m.
jordybear2002 says... #15
For some card draw I would do Howling Mine, Staff of Nin, and Rhystic Study. For some nice pingers I would add Megrim, Liliana's Caress, and Underworld Dreams. And for protection I would add Propaganda, Blood Reckoning, and Grave Pact. Grave Pact is ment so that your opponents are less tempted to attack you.
April 4, 2018 11:30 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #16
I think an altar or two might be nice additions. Ashnod's Altar (or its more expensive counterpart Phyrexian Altar) and Altar of Dementia would be good fits here. Likewise Spawning Pit might be a good addition to both trigger Vela and give you more colorless creatures. These cards not only help trigger Vela, but they provide ramp and/or allow you to dictate when and how your creatures die.
Myr Retriever as a good sac target that recurs a better artifact.
For your "unblockable" theme you could consider Mask of Riddles (doubles as card draw), Dauthi Embrace, and Wonder.
I also would strongly suggest running Sword of Feast and Famine if you can afford it.
Westvale Abbey Flip, Wurmcoil Engine, and Rite of Replication might be other considerations.
April 4, 2018 1:10 p.m.
What are your thoughts on combos? Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry is something that comes to mind when I see this deck for some reason. Possibly because of all of the artifacts. The thopter tokens also have evasion (although not completely unblockable). I noticed you mention something in an earlier comment about Thopter Assembly being a win con. If you don't mind me asking, what is the win con behind it? Good luck with the deck!
April 4, 2018 1:11 p.m.
Wolfrage76 says... #18
Pabs4444 The combo is Thopter Assembly + Time Sieve -- infinite turns. If Vela is out, everyone takes 5 damage when I sac the thopters to time sieve. So unlimited turns, dealing 5 damage every turn.
Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry is a great combo I run in another deck but My commander is BU and FOundry has White in identity. Can't use it.
Getting unlimited artifact creatures that are 1/1 would be awesome since my LGS plays a lot of "all creatures get -1/-1" kind of thing. That with Vela out would be sweetness.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor - The problem with altars is I'm not really looking to sac my stuff - I need more creatures out, and more quickly. Sword of Feast and Famine would be a great addition as I always need more mana to drop stuff.
April 4, 2018 1:42 p.m.
I figured it had to do with Time Sieve. Cool deck. I'd recommend a Whir of Invention just to add a bit of consistency. Also, Thassa, God of the Sea seems like an auto include in a deck that wants unblockable. Just a suggestion.
April 4, 2018 2:10 p.m.
multimedia says... #20
Hey, If you're worried about speed then consider decreasing the avg. CMC here? It's currently 4.2, this means consistently you will not be able to play any cards until turn four. I see that you're playing a lot of high CMC artifacts to cheat them into play, but this requires that you have one of the three enablers to do this: Transmuter, Metalworker or Heartless. Forgemaster is another enabler, but it's really slow. The problem is if you don't have one of these enablers then consistently you'll be stuck with a hand of a lot of high CMC cards which you can't play.
I suggest adding more two drops cutting some of the less good high CMC artifacts.
Cards to consider adding:
All these are two drop artifacts and all them except Strix are also ramp.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Thopter Assembly
- Golden Guardian
- Elbrus, the Binding Blade
- Myr Incubator
- Stuffy Doll
- Phyrexian Juggernaut
- Darksteel Juggernaut
Good luck with your deck.
April 4, 2018 7:11 p.m. Edited.
Wolfrage76 says... #21
Thanks, multimedia. You say the only enablers are Transmuter, Metalworker or Heartless. Those 3 help, sure. But Aether Vial, Tezzeret the Seeker , Proteus Staff, Quicksilver Amulet, Semblance Anvil, Foundry Inspector, Kuldotha Forgemaster, and Mycosynth Golem also either help cheat in stuff or help reduce the CMC. So a 4+ average CMC isn't nearly as bad as it seems. But could be better. I do need to cut back on a few things that are higher CMC in order to have a few more smaller drops.
Well, Thopter Assembly I can't cut as it's part of a wincon (Thopter Assembly + Time Sieve + Vela the Night-Clad ). Elbrus, the Binding Blade Flip probably shouldn't be in this deck but it's fun heh. Myr Incubator works as a final strike (being able to get out 20-30+ artifact creatures at Instant speed is nice, and it combos with Darksteel Juggernaut. Baleful Strix doesnt' really fit the theme of unblockable colorless.
April 5, 2018 8:45 a.m.
captainamerica says... #22
I might play Sharding Sphinx as a utility card in here. It fuels the Time Sieve really well
May 4, 2018 11:31 a.m.
king-saproling says... #23
I play Vela as one of the 99 in my Marchesa robots deck, Durdlebots 2: Extruder Alarm. Never seen Copper Gnomes before but I really dig it! Nice include. Maybe you might find something neat in my robots deck
Nietzsky says... #1
Inspiring Statuary , Whir of Invention , Copy Artifact , swapping Transmute to mainboard, Arcum Dagsson , Etherium Sculptor , Metalworker , Tezzeret the Seeker , Padeem, Consul of Innovation , Fabricate , Paradox Engine , Mox Opal , Academy Ruins
Not saying slot every one of those, but you may find them helpful in tutoring your relevant artifact pieces, going infinite, and using your artifacts as tapable mana sources to drop eldrazi.
Thada Adel, Acquisitor can also sync nicely with Vela's evasion
March 5, 2018 5:02 p.m.