Actually, the goal of the deck IS to be top decking. That keeps us safe with Ensnaring Bridge , and allows us to use cards like Rix Maadi and Lili most effectively. Dream Salvage would be a really awkward card, as I'd either have to play a targeted discard spell right before it (which I can't do when I'm top decking)), or else I'd end up discarding to Lili or Rix Maadi before I could even use it.

Oh true I missed the Ensnaring Bridge! And yeah it did sound like a slightly awkward card to begin with.

How has Waste Not been working for u?

I've ran Dream Salvage in 8Rack, at best it's a cantrip, kinda sucks and is a dead draw late game.

I actually don't have the Waste Not s yet, and I haven't brought this deck to an event in a couple weeks, so I can't really tell you let.

I definitely think Dream Salvage is a bad fit. Just too awkward.

Young Pyromancer

It's not 8 rack, but The Rack makes an appearance.

+1 for RB build

Young Pyro really doesn't fit in here. Waste Not gives me pretty much everything he would, and more.

You should reconsider Dream Salvage with Burning Inquiry

Dream Salvage is just an awkward fit. I am still in the process of playing around with Burning Inquiry . I'm just not sure if I want to fully commit to Waste Not , or leave the deck slanted more towards 8Rack.

kmcree congrats for the deck, very consistent! apparently our concept of what is a ideal 8rack deck is pretty close!!

i get that your goal here is to be top decking and be protected by Ensnaring Bridge .but have you ever consideredDark Confidant ? Ensnaring Bridge becomes useless with him on the deck, but you can be alot more agressive and finish the game much sooner!
i also run Desecration Demon on my 8rack, its very effective : )

one more thing: I really recommend you get rid of 3 more Swamp and use 2 Mutavault and 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . i think this dont need an explanation XD. you just have to go back to 8 Swamp when in need to put that Blood Moon on the main deck, in any other situation the Mutavault is very useful and can be pretty annoying to your opponent to deal with!

if you want you can check out my deck isn't too soon for you to be top decking ? it's very similar to yours, but that Dark Confidant VS Ensnaring Bridge make the gameplay very different!

i'll be very glad if you give me your opinion : )

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of Bob in 8Rack. I think the Ensnaring Bridge route is much stronger. Bob is just too easy to remove, he drains your life total, and frankly, you really don't need to draw extra cards if you play the deck right.

I also don't really like Mutavault because colorless mana really hurts me. I need for almost every card, and having a starting hand with something like Mutavault , Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace , and 5 non-lands would be terrible, whereas if you swap the Mutavault for just a Swamp is a great hand. One of the advantages of 8Rack is being able to have a consistent land base without fetches, so I don't really want to mess with that too much.

I have considered throwing a creature or 2 in to use as beaters/finishers, probably in the sideboard. Although it would probably be something like Dread Slag . Desecration Demon is just not all that interesting in Modern.

I realy get your point on the Ensnaring Bridge choise, I guess is a question of preference since bob has been working great for me : )he also helps to solve this problem with colorless mana that you mentioned.by the way, this colorless mana problem is why I run a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth also the bob helps you to draw it ! and sincerely i have never lost a game because of mana problems.

and i actually was playing with Dread Slag before start to run bob ( i think is obvious why i removed him after that)! and i discover that Desecration Demon is a lot better in a 8rack ...think about this, he is not a threat on modern since your opponent have something in his hand else ... and if,by turn 4, he actually have something (usefull) in his hand, you're doing something wrong XD. Desecration Demon have less initial power than Dread Slag but he have the creature removal bonus that is just awsome... imagine, if a opponent is with a annoying creature on the battleground and you just dont draw that Terminate or have a Ensnaring Bridge on the table ... he is already recieving damage from The Rack or/and Shrieking Affliction he will obviously sacrifice that creature instead of tacking more 6 flying damage, and if he take the damage ...well ... its 6 damage for god sake : )

there is another point Desecration Demon has fly! much harder to be blocked XD

but in the end remains a question of opinion

both compositions are very solid and strong

Wholesale changes have been made. Any thoughts or ideas?

8 rack with double splash is interesting, mana might hurt a good bit but maybe it'll work.

I feel like if you're splashing white, Path to Exile and Lingering Souls should be your splash cards. the spirits can easily swing under your Ensnaring Bridge or be usefull backup defenders in the air against Ornithopter + Signal Pest nonsense

It also seems to me like 8 removal spells and 3 Ensnaring Bridge is too much for a dedicated discard deck trying to win with The Rack . I'd say to drop the terminates and the helix's for 2 more discard spells and 2 Lingering Souls .

Be cautious with Rest in Peace though because 8 rack pretty much needs Raven's Crime for grindy match-ups and it does you no good in exile.

Yeah, I playtested it a bit and it seems like you're trying to do too many things at the same time. The thing that makes 8-rack good is that most of the cards in the deck do the same thing and it's consistent. I've been noticing a similar problem in my list lately with the red splash where you topdeck a bolt when you just need 1 more discard to kill them with racks, but that's magic I guess.

Yeah, I am a little worried that its trying to do too much. I've just had a pretty rough time with my meta the last few weeks. Affinity and Infect have been driving me crazy, and I also keep running into Leyline of Sanctity . I figured the white is the best way to combat Leyline, and the extra lifegain from Lightning Helix could be nice against Affinity.

I hadn't thought about Lingering Souls , I may look into it. I'm not really sure I like Path to Exile that much. I feel like Terminate is a pretty solid option that doesn't give them the land advantage, and is a little more flexible mana wise with regards to the rest of the deck.

As far as Rest in Peace , I need something to deal with graveyard based combo decks. There are a couple of them in my meta. Raven's Crime is really just an extra late game discard engine, as I already have Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace and Liliana of the Veil to fill that role.

If you're having trouble with infect, Spellskite is a decent option since you can redirect most of their pump spells to it for 2 life. Which isn't a problem when all their damage is infect and your lifetotal doesn't matter. Depending on the speed of the graveyard combo you also have Leyline of the Void as an option to consider as well.

So, one suggestion I might have is more enchantment removal in the side if you keep the white splash. You can't really win with Leyline there at all.

I almost didn't +1 because it was at 42 haha but I really like the deck

Kataki, War's Wage Shatterstorm Stony Silence for Affinity

Spellskite as stated above for Infect.

If your splashing white, I think 4x Wear / Tear or 4x Erase should be a must.

@APPLE01DOJ: I like those suggestions. Do you like Shatterstorm over Vandalblast ? I think I like Vandalblast better because it doesn't require double red and the one sidedness can be huge if I have The Rack or Ensnaring Bridge out.

Also, Wear / Tear or Erase ? The exile could become relevant with stuff like Keranos, God of Storms seeing more play, but I also like the flexibility of Wear / Tear .

With the added strain of splashing white on your mana base, it might be a good idea to drop the Lavaclaw Reaches in favor of a basic plains to give you a basic to fetch against Blood Moon .

Also Kataki, War's Wage is a bad idea in 8-rack where half of your win cons are artifacts.

I'm fully against dropping Lavaclaw Reaches cause Control is huge these days and u need a manland to get thru in case they counter ur Racks & Afflictions. I'd swap a swamp for a plain old plains.

I've been favoring Vandalblast over Shatterstorm myself lately. Same reason as u stated, having a 1 drop removal that is a board wipe later is huge. Especially when the deck it's intended for can kill u before u even hit T4. I just wish it was instant speed to take out a pumped up Inkmoth Nexus good thing u have Wear / Tear on the SB too.

jchudz Kataki, War's Wage typically would be played before u play ur win-con's and after Affinity has dumped their hand. Affinity isn't nearly as threatening when it's in top deck mode. He has enough Burn Affliction & Zombies to win thru other means if they don't just scoop.

I don't think that all the removal spells work well with Ensnaring Bridge . I'm not a competitive player, but I have my own budget 8rack deck and have read a lot on the subject. Eight removal spells (plus 2 Funeral Charm ) will likely sit in your hand for a few turns, opening up the Bridge. I may be wrong, but any spells that you don't want to cast immediately should be considered in conjuction with Bridge.

I also don't think the white splash works very well. You get Lightning Helix , but you also have to run a more painful mana base, which sort of cancels it out. You might as well be running Lightning Strike . Rakdos Charm can function nearly as well as Rest in Peace and also work as artifact removal and an auto-win against Splinter Twin . In short, I think the double splash is a bad idea here. Then again, the Wear / Tear is your only insurance against Leyline.