such a great reply, once again greatly appreciated, i built Prossh (non foodchain) to my perfection list, able to win on commander dmg, token stomp dmg,stealing opp's monsters, and of course life drain them to wipe the table, just having difficulties finding a commander that i can create such a versatile deck with different play styles, was considering yennett or sisay, anyways don't wanna blow up your comment thread with all these questions, have asked on forum boards but no such luck.
February 8, 2019 1:08 p.m.
zapyourtumor says... #3
Cool deck. I haven't played any magic since HoD and started a few weeks ago, and I'm really liking a lot of these commander 2018 cards.
I'm not sure how much it would actually help, but I feel like Void Winnower fits. a) It can be cheated in with Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign . b) The flavor just seems to match really well with the odd vs even kind of thing.
February 12, 2019 11:19 p.m.
zapyourtumor Welcome back!
I returned to Magic in 2017 and fell in love with the EDH format too.
You're spot on that Void Winnower is a good card for Yennett decks. In fact, it is commonly played in most creature based Yennett decks I've come across.
However, I've opted for the path less travelled and made my deck creatureless! Having another creature in the deck (besides Yennett) actually hampers one of my key combo and wincon.
Thanks for your suggestion nonetheless and do keep them coming! Cheers.
February 12, 2019 11:59 p.m.
zapyourtumor says... #5
Ah, whoops I missed that part. scratches head
I feel like for Approach of the Second Sun , they made a mistake and should have put the "cast from your hand" condition in both the "you win the game" and "shuffle it into your library" parts, though.
The Nexus of Fate combo is absolutely disgusting, but I love it.
I might look into Yennett for a budget edh deck -- I didn't realise at first how powerful she is with tutors that put cards on top of your deck, since that is usually considered worse than putting them into your hand.
February 13, 2019 1:06 a.m.
zapyourtumor hey no worries. It's a quirky deck so folks can easier miss the details and key mechanics.
Thank god Approach of the Second Sun was worded as such, and it became a wincon for my deck. phew
I've players ask me for advice on a more budget build. If you do decide to give Yennett a go, I'm always happy to help too!
February 13, 2019 4:27 a.m.
MagmaArmor0 says... #7
Wow, this is neat. I've been looking for a deck to abuse Proteus Staff , and this deck does that and more. This is an oddball deck for sure, and I love the various lines to victory.
The deck seems really, really well tuned. I'm having a bit of a hard time suggesting improvements. Have you considered Gitaxian Probe ? It basically just slims your deck down by one card, while also letting you know if one of your opponents do or do not have answers before you try going off. (Especially when casting the second Approach--checking the blue deck for counterspells ahead of time can be very helpful!)
I'm not sure which is better, actually, but what are your thoughts on Austere Command versus Cleansing Nova ? I'm not sure if one less mana (and becoming odd!) makes it better than the flexibility of Command.
Great deck!
February 13, 2019 11:18 p.m.
MagmaArmor0 Thanks for the compliments and suggestions.
Your suggestion of Gitaxian Probe suddenly reminded me of another card... Telepathy ! I'd love to add the card(s) in the deck but space is really tight at the moment so I'd have to KIV them for now.
You're absolutely right about one of the weakness of the deck - Counterspells (then again, most decks are affected by Counterspells as well, to different extent). I've only included a small package of Counterspells for this purpose but they're certainly insufficient to defend against everything our opponents throw at us, especially in a multiplayer game.
Austere Command vs Cleansing Nova is a tough call to be honest. Functionality wise, they both serve almost similar purpose with the former giving me an option to avoid hitting Yennett if she's online. IMHO, I'm not overly concerned about their CMC cause if I've an opportunity to manipulate the top of my library to cast something odd for free, Extra Turn spells, Wincons or even Tutors will get priority over Board Wipes (unless I'm facing certain death and am in a dire need for one). Ceteris paribus, I'd go with Austere Command for the flexibility so I can cherry pick which 2 modes to select that'd benefit me the most.
Thank you once again for the suggestions and asking some hard questions which makes me reassess my card choices in the deck. It is only through such discussions can we further refine the decks! Look forward to hearing more from you soon.
Feel free to check out some of my other quirky decks too! Cheers.
February 13, 2019 11:50 p.m.
Sometimes you can't swing with Yennett and have her survive, so why not run Maze of Ith or Reconnaissance so you can still get the trigger, but not have to put Yennett in harms way
Cryptic Command over Mystic Confluence , as it's counter isn't mana dependent and allows you to still draw a card. While true you can't draw 3 cards off it, it has 2 other really useful abilities to detract from the fact.
On a side note, may I ask what code you used to "jazz" up your upvote buttons? Mine are bland and I wanna improve them, if you'd be willing to share.
February 23, 2019 11:43 p.m.
Byuante Thanks for the suggestions.
I did run Maze of Ith , Cryptic Command and Mystic Confluence in the early iterations of this deck but removed them after play testing for the following reasons:
Maze of Ith - Yennett has Flying and Menance, making her extremely difficult to block. In a multiplayer format, chances are, there'll be at least one player who doesn't have 2 flyers for Yennett to swing in.
Mystic Confluence - I initially ran it cause it has a Odd CMC. However, the impact it makes did not justify the spot and I've since removed it. Just realised I didn't update my Primer to reflect this. Thanks for your reminder!
Cryptic Command - Its effects are stronger than Confluence but the in its casting cost, in a three color deck, is the main reason why I left it out.
Thank you for noticing the work I've put in to jazz up the Upvote button but... why didn't you click on it!!! LOL... Sure I'd be happy to share with you how I did that, send me a PM via chat.
February 24, 2019 12:15 a.m.
Really nice list for Yennett. (I also really like the design of the page, you made a lot of efforts).
I don't play Yennett, so I don't have good recommandations, but I'm thinking about building one (thanks to your list).
March 8, 2019 6:18 a.m.
Kizder Glad you like the list and the page design!
Feel free to link up with me if you start building an Yennett deck, I'd be glad to provide my humble inputs where applicable.
Do leave an upvote too as support for the deck/page that I spent a lot of effort building. Cheers!
March 8, 2019 7:02 a.m.
I am surprised that the #1 Yennet deck creator found my little old Sphinx tribal deck. Sphinxes and conundrums are what I play. I would love to get your advise on how to improve this. I am Vorthos in nature but I do like powerful cards. However this one is quite fun.
You might wish to consider Moat and Castle . Overwhelming Splendor might also be worthy to consider. Painful Truths is good card draw. Debt to the Deathless might also be something to add to this deck. Other than that I have nothing to add.
I hope I have been of some help to you.
Raven Rose
March 14, 2019 12:44 p.m.
Ravenrose I always welcome suggestions as I feel there are always room for upgrades, especially when new sets are being released and more interesting interactions may pop up.
I figured, instead of asking the community at large, why not get fellow Yennett players to chip in. After all, who else knows Yennett better than us!
Interesting suggestions you gave. I've honestly never come across some of them prior. Will give them some thought alongside the suggestions that'll hopefully pour in over time.
Feel free to ping me if you need my humble suggestions and inputs. I'd be glad to assist to the best of my capabilities and knowledge. Cheers!
March 14, 2019 12:51 p.m.
Well I would like your input on my Sphinx deck. Maybe I missed something that is powerful and fits the theme. Any time.
March 14, 2019 1:03 p.m.
Ravenrose Sure, give me some time to digest the deck before coming back with suggestions. Are there any aspects of it that you'd like to improve or for me to focus on?
March 14, 2019 1:23 p.m.
Hey. Thanks for the up vote! Your deck looks solid! I would def move enlightened tutor to the main board some how.
March 14, 2019 8:45 p.m.
maston07 You're welcomed and thanks for the compliments and upvote too!
Yes, I've always been trying to find a spot for Enlightened Tutor to no avail as the deck is already very tight. I only run 1 enchantment ( Penance which is just an enabler) so the tutor's main targets would be Proteus Staff or Isochron Scepter , both of which are my key wincons. At the moment, I've been relying on the other tutors (e.g. the various transmute spells like Muddle the Mixture , Dimir Machinations or Inventors' Fair or the good old Fabricate ) to fetch them in times of need.
What would you recommend be removed to make room for Enlightened Tutor ?
March 14, 2019 8:57 p.m.
hkhssweiss says... #21
Heya Cloudius in regards to your previous post. I would definitely support Enlightened Tutor into main board, the cut I would consider would be Crystal Ball .
A couple reasons why is that you would have access to Scroll Rack as well, with the amount of fetches you run you can essentially manipulate your library as well. Not only that a T1 E-tutor can grab you any of the fast mana rocks as well. If you have access to them you can grab Sensei's Divining Top and continue your manipulation.
It also adds to the consistency of what you can grab and opens up many lines of answers for you and streamlines the deck even more. In retrospect the Scry 2 from Crystal ball is decent but you have to pay than an additional before you can gain use of it.
Hope that gives a little perspective on my thoughts :P
March 15, 2019 5:13 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #22
You've probably already thought of it but Slaughter the Strong is cheap, odd, and pierces indestructible (and regeneration) while leaving Yennet alive. Obviously not super reliable nor strictly better than any of your existing wipes though.
March 15, 2019 6:16 p.m.
Alexmtgwowsuchmana says... #23
Hey! I love what you've done with the place! Your deck looks really cool, but Ill wait with my purchase until the new 36-planeswalker set comes out! :D
March 16, 2019 4:07 a.m.
hkhssweiss Thanks for your inputs and good analysis. You're right about Enlightened Tutor .
I categorised Crystal Ball as top of library manipultion instead of tutor so they serve slightly different purposes. If I want to include E.Tutor, the Ball or Preordain would be on the chopping board as they're the weaker cards among the list of 12 top library manipulators.
March 16, 2019 4:46 a.m.
Coward_Token Thanks for the suggestion! I did consider the card but it got outclassed by Tragic Arrogance as I get to pick what stuff my opponents keep instead.
For board wipes, I'm not too concerned about the CMC being odd. Reason being, if I've the opportunity to manipulate cards to the top of my library (to be casted for free by Yennett), I'd opt for "Extra Turn" spells or Combo pieces to advance my game plan over board wipes.
If I'm unable to manipulate the top of my library and happen to reveal a Board Wipe via Yennett's ability, chances are I'd draw it instead because:
A) Most of the time, the situation then doesn't require a board wipe;
B) Knowing I've a board wipe in hand would keep my opponents in check and prevent them from committing too many creatures on board. Sometimes "Knowledge" is more powerful than the card effect itself.
Let me know what you think. Cheers!
Cloudius says... #1
Geridious You're welcomed.
Eldrazis are popular in creature based Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign decks. There're some ways to cheat them into play should Yennett get hated out too, e.g. Quicksilver Amulet , Show and Tell .
Yennett also helms many Sphinx Tribal deck so Cryptic Gateway and Belbe's Portal are cards worth considering.
That said, I'd personally opt for a commander with Green among it's color identity (over Esper ) if my objective is to summon big fat meanies and stomp in for the win. Once again, it boils down to preference and play style.
Let me know once you're done building your deck list on T/O, I'd love to see how it turns out. Am hoping that this deck did gave you some inspirations along the way. Cheers!
February 8, 2019 1:01 p.m.