What if There's a Deck With No Bad Match Up?
Modern
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DodgeNDive says... #2
Epicbatman, I open both decks on separate tabs and play them, of course there is the whole thing about being able to see both hands, but I always try to make the best plays for my opponent because there is no point in purposely playing bad for the playtest. The biggest loss is that when I pilot other decks, I'm not as capable in knowing if there's any cards to keep for synergies unless it's specified explicitly in that deck's description.
Bunzteiger, I'm really happy that you had fun with the deck! That's precisely the aim for this build, so you can always be "in the game" and not really have a time where you have zero chance.
You are however, also correct in the fact that this deck is lacking in "bombs" that could close the game or turn the table for us. Unflinching Courage were originally slots for these bombs. You could consider Blood Baron of Vizkopa or even Holy Mantle (Mantle on a Witchstalker is a 4 turn clock Hexproof and Unblockable, essentially, Mantle also dodges Abrupt Decay).
It's interesting that you went for Nylea, I've not considered her because I doubted how often she'd become active, but let me know how that goes for you! Best of luck on the grand prix!
SSJRanulf, Yeah I would still be interested in that, you can do as many write ups as you like. Mine went crazy busy too, not looking like I will have much time until about three weeks :s i hope you're all sortrd out now though!
March 16, 2014 1:49 p.m.
Cool deck! I have been wanting to make a junk deck for a while, and yours is awesome!(: +1
March 21, 2014 8:35 a.m.
DodgeNDive says... #4
Thanks Minelia5! The current build is for faster plays, but if you find more mid-range decks than say, White-Weenies and Aggro, you can replace the playset of Voice of Resurgence for Sylvan Caryatid , and then swap 2 or 3 Unflinching Courage for Blood Baron of Vizkopa , plus the option for having Holy Mantle instead of Unflinching Courage .
This set up would also make your Fleecemane Lion far more likely to become monstrous :)
I used to play this set up until the meta in my local store shifts to more aggressive, angry creature decks aha.
Feel free to come back if you ever need any extra suggestions with the deck (Especially when Journey into Nyx comes out in the future! Expect B/G Scry lands and god! Woohoo!)
March 21, 2014 7:39 p.m.
Great deck, I like the idea of decks that can combat anything that gets throw at them. +1
March 21, 2014 7:44 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #6
Thank you Nilock! I'd say me too, but that's obvious haha
However, at the same time this deck is sort of more into preventing my opponent from throwing things at me :')
Hand disruption to bin it before they throw it, and hexproof/protection creatures so they draw into cards with no valid targets.
Thank you for the +1 too, I'll definitely go and check out one of your decks :)
March 21, 2014 8:08 p.m.
oracletext says... #7
Mind play testing against my deck Agent of Orzhova? I play tested against your deck and I'd like to see if you come up with the same results as I got. Mean deck though and a +1 from me!
March 27, 2014 5:39 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #8
Thanks oracletext! :)I'm currently finishing off my dissertation work from university, only get a split second to deckcycle on here lately aha
I will finish in about a week, so by two weeks' time i'll be able to do more playtestings, so I'll apologise in advance for the delay, but I'll get around to it!
Thanks for the +1! Remind me about it in a week's time and I'll get on it :)
March 27, 2014 7:34 p.m.
I had been looking for a new deck to build since bng came out and I finally found it... This one! Took me a couple weeks to gather all the cards, but I finally got it done two weeks ago. I took it to fnm that first time.... And wow. It sucked. Lol Not the deck itself but the matchups and draws. Never got any of the cards I sideboarded in and had mana issues in all my match ups. All of the play testing i did went awesome but when crunch time came it flopped. However, I decided that I just had a (extremely) bad night and decided to run it again yesterday. It was so much fun!! I went 2-2 but all the rounds I at least won once and my only loses were extremely close ones. RG monsters, and mUd. Wins were r/w burn and mbd. Highlights of the night included pulling all 4 heros downfalls against monoblack and seeing the look on his face and swinging with a [skylasher] + [unflinching courage] at monoblue and having him activate 2 mutavaults to kill it and after blocks were declared downfalling one and trampling over the other. All in all I just had to say well done +1 and I can wait for my next fnm with this awesome deck!
March 29, 2014 7:15 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #10
@Jcswade haha gosh, you worried me for a moment there :)
I'm glad you gave the deck another chance and it didn't let you down!Being your first few times playing the deck, 2-2 with at least 1 win in each match up is great! Love the 2 for 1 against the mutavault!
If you find that the RG monsters you lost to had a consistent lower mana curve, you can side out Fleecemane/Voice/Witchstalker for the extra Abrupt Decay in main.
As for the MUD match up, this deck has answers for everything they can throw at you, it's just a matter of drawing it and knowing when to use it and when to save it - but remember, you also have the option of adding Lifebane Zombie into main in place of Unflinching Courage if you find a lot of stale mate situations, he can swing in unblockable, dodges tide binder, and lets you peek at your opponent's hand. MUD doesn't tend to have a lot of big creatures so your other 3/3 bodies can usually keep your defences intact while you swing with Lifebane. (playtest it first though and see how it feels for you)
All in all, thank you for the support and am so happy you like the deck too!
March 31, 2014 6:44 a.m.
I'm sorry I had you worried lol kind of a poor choice of words on my part. The deck is awesome.
I like the idea of the [lifebane zombie] again mud. That would have worked really good too be he had splashed white for Dspheres and ephara. It felt good to actually give him a run for his money. He has placed top 8 a lot this season and was #1 at scg atl. Keep it real man ! :)
March 31, 2014 7:07 p.m.
I ran a completely different deck than this, but in terms of strategy, if you are still brainstorming on the bant walkers matchup, I went 4-1 against it at the grand prix this past weekend by totally ignoring kiora and just swinging straight at the face as fast as possible. flying, numbers, mostly ignored the walkers except for removal and just outraced it consistently. the loss was the first match when i had too much creature hate on board and got distracted by playing with kiora.
March 31, 2014 8:09 p.m.
I think my deck, Gideon's Beats competes pretty well against your deck.
But this deck is very, very solid.
March 31, 2014 11 p.m.
NerdPounder says... #14
I like it!
However, I think Ajani, Caller of the Pride would be a better choice than Unflinching Courage . I like Unflinching courage and all, but you're hopefully going to be the aggressive deck in most matchups, and you look like you would have a really good matchup against most of the random red decks you'll find, even though they aren't a big deal in the meta right now, so lifegain isn't that big of a deal. Ajani is spectacular against most decks, he grows your guys or sends them to the air against Jund Monsters, he allows you to play conservatively against control while still applying a lot of pressure (and stressing out their removal, making Supreme Verdict not a catchall and forcing them to make a choice with their targeted removal between the dudes that Ajani is making awesome, which hopefully you will have more of, or Ajani himself) He's not very good against MUD because of all their flyers, but most planeswalkers aren't, but he's good against Mono Black because he, once again stresses their removal. Unflinching Courage kind of does the opposite, it allows them to get 2-for-1s and prioritize their removal correctly.
Also, I can't help but feel that Brimaz is just better than the other 3-drops you have there. He absolutely must be answered (except by the monsters deck, they can ignore him) and he puts a serious clock on the field for only 3 mana.
April 3, 2014 10:56 a.m.
DonkeyPunch says... #15
I gave this deck a +1 because of the fact it's epic. I never thought of playing junk until I saw this! I have all the cards except 3 thoughtseize so I was stoked that I could make this deck with no problem!
April 3, 2014 2:33 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #16
Sorry about the wall text as always! For those with the linked names, feel free to just find your part to read (sorry if your part is still quite long lol)
@Jcswade haha no worries, it's like a good book - they make you think one way when you find out it's another way at the end - plot twist! :D
@xiao.wen maybe he just had some really good draws, i mean his deck composition would have a lot of lands due to the high mana curve, and he also needed to fit in walkers, creatures, and removals - even some card draws. I did only play against it once, so I will try to ignore the walkers next time and just go straight for the throat :) thanks for the advice!
@Kaenon looks good! This deck was built mainly with the popular archetype that's out there, yours looks pretty fresh so I won't be too surprised if yours competes well against this :) though I can see that it would be a fun match up! Well done on the build
@corythackston I do consider Ajani, Caller of the Pride as a viable option to replace Unflinching Courage . You are also right about enchantments being a 2 for 1 magnet. As for Brimaz... it's that Kalonian Hydra answer or die situation (I used to run some green devotion in the past aha) but i ended up swapping out kalonian because it didn't stick whenever i need it to stick.
But... (there's always a but haha) Ajani is double white and courage allows me to stabilise against faster decks with the lifelink. As for the two for one risk, Witchstalker is a safe bet, paladin isn't too bad either, devotion decks doesn't have a great deal of removals, mistcutters and skylashers against predominantly blue things, etc etc makes courage more playable in this deck than most decks that would run it simply because it's a good enchant.
However... (and here is my comment balance out :D ) I would still give thumbs up to Ajani to run in place of the courages, maybe a one or two of :) (I wanted to try it out in the early stages but i spent enough money to build this back then haha) he will do great in this deck. Courage instantly turns a 3/3 to a 5/5 with lifelink, which closes the life gap by 10 when it hits. While Ajani isn't as fast, there's less chance of a stand off when he sticks and is actually a better win con than Courage in the long run.
For the price that Brimaz is now, I'm not too eager to try him, but i think it's safe to have him in place of a couple fiendslayers if your local meta means fiendslayers won't find a lot of jobs :)
Thank you for the feedback and the time writing your thoughts out! I do appreciate and notice it! :D
@DonkeyPunch I think you gave the deck it's 100th upvote! Yay! Feels like there should be a prize for you and me both aha :D
You're just as easily replace thoughtseize with some more 1 or 2 aggro drops like Soldier of the Pantheon and such. You'll miss out on the tactical discard, but as a trade off you might be that bit faster so that you won't see whatever it is you would've made them discard with thoughtseize :)
(thoughtseize is fun and is a good card anyway though!)
I'm glad you like the deck! And I wish you the best of luck when you do play it! :D
@Everyone: Thank you so much for the support you've all shown for this deck, I really do appreciate it. Please do keep the suggestions coming, I know I've not made much changes for a while but it's because there has been a lot we've covered in the past with your help!
April 3, 2014 3:54 p.m.
NerdPounder says... #18
I'm actually of the opinion that Ajani is faster, because he can come down and give something flying and double strike. So, say you have Loxodon Smiter out. If you put the aura on him, he swings for 6 (granted, with lifelink =)) but if you -3 with the Ajani he hits for 8, and is a lot less likely to be blocked
April 3, 2014 5:16 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #19
@corythackston I agree, that's why i said Ajani is a better actual win con :)
I probably should have elaborated more on this phrase - "there's less chance of a stand off when he sticks and is actually a better win con than Courage in the long run" - was mainly referring to his -3 ability.
He finishes games for us with that ability through the evasion. I said courage is faster because in the case where a -3 Ajani is not a kill (we'll use smiter example again):
With Ajani we swing 8, 5, 6 for a total of 8dmg with high chance of landing, and 11 damage with high possibility of chump blocks.
With Courage we swing 6,6,6 for a total of 18 trample+lifelink with high possibility of chump blocks, but it will still net us the life each time.
That's why I said that Ajani is a better win con, because he ends games with that -3 and that's what win cons are supposed to do: end games.
So I agree with you, and I totally agree that Ajani can replace 1 or 2 of the Courages :)
But... (here it is again :P) if we're behind and our opponent won't die from the flying double strike, it takes a couple of turns of buffings before we force our opponent to go defensive, in the mean time they'll try to race us.
As for Courage, you play it and they'll pause. They need to be able to overcome the 5 lifelink and keep a defender, or do more than 10 damage a turn in order to swing profitably.
So at the end of the day, I think it comes down to all those situations we face while we play really, both Courage and Ajani does the job well as a means to push our aggression further, they just do it in their own awesome ways :)
I'll give Ajani a section in the descriptions as soon as possible so people will know that they have the option open (of course i'll have you mentioned too ;) )
April 3, 2014 11:19 p.m.
NerdPounder says... #20
Ah, I see what you mean now. I do think Unflinching Courage is a great card, I just personally hate playing enchantments on non-hexproof creatures, lol. Have you taken this to any FNMs or anything recently?
April 4, 2014 2:40 p.m.
Well I went to visit my brother in Tallahassee and played at an fnm there. Little did I know the first fnm of the month at that shop there was modern...DOH! As I only had this deck with me I played it and went 3-2 which I felt was great seeing how modern decks are known for being pretty powerful. I beat Kiki-jiki and splinter twins and some other one that I didn't know. I lost to soul sisters and living end. All in all I had a great night and got to play outside my comfortzone. The guys there were pretty impressed to say the least. +1....again lol
April 8, 2014 5:09 p.m.
DodgeNDive says... #22
@corythackston - I've been finishing up my dissertation these past few weeks so I haven't been playing as much as I normally do, but I will hopefully be taking this to the FNM this week :) (tomorrow) - I have also written two logs from two previous FNMs you can have a look at below all the descriptions :D
@Jcswade wow well done, man! I've got to say your playing skills was probably the main driving force of your 3-2 ;) - This deck draws inspirations from the "rock" type deck which you can find in modern, that's probably why it fare out pretty alright. Thank you for the feedback Jc! Made my day hearing it :)
April 10, 2014 6:21 a.m.
InariOrchid says... #23
Mill mill mill Tell me what you think. All feedback is good feedback,
April 10, 2014 7:40 p.m.
socialpariah says... #24
Competed in my first FNM last night and went 3-2. My deck is pretty similar to yours(I used your deck for sideboard help, thanks for that).
First matchup was against a Bant deck. Lost this one 0-2. I stupidly kept bad hands both times.
Second was MBD. Won this 2-1.
Third was a Sliver deck, went 2-0.
Fourth was Esper Control. Lost this one 1-2. Blood Baron came out a turn before I drew a Lifebane. Had a 4/4 Mistcutter out and a 5/5 Mistcutter out that could have taken it on, but he Sphinx's Rev'd up to 30 and then swung for 10 in the air. That was game.
Last game was against a Boros aggro deck. Went 2-0.
April 12, 2014 9:33 a.m.
DodgeNDive says... #25
What do you guys think about Athreos, God of Passage?
@InariOrchid, are you looking for feedback for your deck in general, or against this deck in particular? :)
@socialpariah glad the deck listings had helped you! And dayummm, would've been good if Lifebane did go out first! Aha
3-2 for a first FNM is good! I remember my first... using a Dimir mill deck lol, needless to say I failed pretty miserably :L but those first few defeats made me put more time into my deck building, theorycraft, and alpha+beta playtesting before actually settling with a deck for I play with. Since then, it's been great fun! I wish you the best of luck in your next FNM! Let me know if you want any feedback on your deck :)
SSJRanulf says... #1
Hey my life went crazy there for a few days, I'm really sorry about that! :( Would you still be interested in having me do a write up about my matches against your deck?
March 16, 2014 4:58 a.m.