Thanks for all of the help man! I made a lot of the changes you recommended and so far they have been extremely useful.
October 7, 2015 2:11 p.m.
For the low low cost of two White mana, you too can have a Knight of the White Orchid. On turn three you can play this sucker before a land drop and ramp from 2 to 4 lands with no hassle!
I could also see Seeker of the Way being a great addition, and also at two mana. I'm simply not super excited about Expedition Envoy without late game activators, or Dragon Hunter when that card is much better suited for the side. Also worth mentioning is that Seeker of the Way is a warrior!
October 8, 2015 10:12 a.m.
BlueGospelOne says... #4
Nice! I'm glad I could help. What happened to Dragonscale General?
October 8, 2015 10:27 p.m.
Walt-Wizard says... #5
have you thought about High Sentinels of Arashin or Herald of Anafenzabecause herald gets a plus one plus one AND lets you bolster with Anefenza.
October 8, 2015 10:39 p.m.
BlueGospelOne says... #6
Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit is non token creatures only.
October 8, 2015 10:51 p.m.
@vvhirl: Yes, both of those cards are great options, but don't quite fit with what I am trying to do here. Knight of the White Orchid is fabulous on turn three, but I wouldn't really want to play him at any other point in the game or over any of the other two drops in this deck and would only really be worth playing if I was forced to be on the draw at the beginning of the game, and/or I happened to get mana screwed.Seeker of the Way is very much the same. Though he has more late game relevancy, (especially with all of the combat tricks) I wouldn't want to cast him over anything else on turn 2. He may be better suited in my sideboard as an alternate choice over Honor's Reward.
@BlueGospelOne: I found that when I had Dragonscale General in my hand, I would almost always rather have a plains to cast the other cards in my hand. So I cut him for 2 extra plains. However, this does not satisfy me either, so I might go back to playing something else again, possibly Scale Blessing or High Sentinels of Arashin like I was playing before. I would highly prefer something that instantly affected the board when it enters like Citadel Siege because abilities that cause you to have your creatures tapped to get counters is much to slow of a strategy to depend on.
October 9, 2015 1:18 a.m.
My only argument towards Knight is that.. A you would probably want a playset of Knight, which means your chance of having one on turn 3 of them is pretty darn good, and that as a two drop, he gives you a 2/2 with first strike, which lets you have a sick blocker. and on turn 3... your other option is... Abzan Falconer or going with Anafenza and a 1 drop? Falconer has a decent chance of being super dead turn 3, you'd have to get Anafenza out over anything else... and even then you'd be buffing your weakest dude... Also worth mention that if Falconer and Anafenza were to buff Knight, an (at least) 3/3 Flyer with First Strike is no joke, one more bolster or even just a general +1 attack and you've successfully killed Ojutai or Thunderbreak Reagent while keeping your dude. You can just kill so many things, and you'll lag on mana all game against popular decks like Atarka Red (who is constantly fetching and putting down basics) and control.
October 9, 2015 1:54 a.m.
I had a little bit of extra space in my main board for a cheap low costing creature, so I took your suggestion to heart and added 2 Knight of the White Orchid because I now realize that it solves the problem of being not able to cast my Citadel Siege on turn 4. Additionally I subbed out Honor's Reward for Seeker of the Way in my sideboard. @vvhirl
October 10, 2015 7:01 a.m.
This deck is awesome, the combo is good specially when all of your creatures will end up flying :)
but I've made some tweaks,
I've removed 2 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit Spirit and added 2 more lands (which makes it 22) 4x basic lands were changed with 2x Sandstone Bridge and 2 Blighted Steppe
4x Expedition Envoy and 4x Dragon Hunter were replaced with 4x Ainok Bond-Kin and 4x Topan Freeblade
i can also see that you've changed the Artful Maneuver with Defiant Strike for an extra draw. You think it's still worth it to add 4x Knight of the White Orchid
Any thoughts regarding the changes I've made with the deck.
October 27, 2015 9:59 p.m.
@semaj0113: Hey man, thanks! I have been working on this deck for some time now, and your support means a lot. As for your changes, I wouldn't go below three copies of Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit in this deck. And even if you did, I wouldn't cut her for more lands. I honestly don't think you need more than twenty lands here even if they do do something other than add mana. I have attempted using Sandstone Bridge before and found that it was too slow for this build. I think if you were playing Blighted Woodland you'd rarely use it's 2nd ability either. I wouldn't cut down on the one drops either because they are extremely useful here and almost always want to be casting a creature on turn one, even if their abilities are relatively vanilla. Cutting both Expedition Envoy and Dragon Hunter Only leaves you with one option on turn one, and that hurts an Aggro deck, especially when they can't play anything. I'd suggest maybe cutting one one drop creature for either Topan Freeblade Or Ainok Bond-Kin in your case. My preference would be to have all three one drops, but that is up to you. If your bigger on the +1/+1 counters, I'd recommend playing Gleam of Authority over Defiant Strike. I'd also consider more midrange-y cards like Scale Blessing and Dragonscale General. My case in adding Defiant Strike into my deck was yes, for the extra draw, but also to make sure I didn't have too much or too little mana. If I were to be manaflooded, I could cast Defiant Strike and hope to draw a nonland card and for being manascrewed, it's just the opposite. Additionally I find Knight of the White Orchid not so useful FYI.
I hope this feedback helps you.-Swilliam
October 27, 2015 11:39 p.m.
hahaha! first time i've saw this deck here at tappedout, i fell in love with it. so i rushed in building this deck ( i think it took me 2 days to complete it haha!) and made sure that most of the other mentioned cards from the comments were included in my list (even though they are not that necessary, but for testing purposes and just in case i need to do some tweaks.)
ok, i've followed what you said (prior from reading your comment i've test played with my friend (Red/White aggro deck) the tweak and i got flooded with mana, (i ended up my creatures dying, i dunno if it was also cause of the set up from his deck + prowess and other instants that'll pump the attack) i've placed back the 2 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit that i've removed and added back the regular lands in exchange for Sandstone Bridge and Blighted Steppe. Yeah, that's what i've experienced before, it's kinda slow and those lands are hindering me from casting creatures cause it comes to the field tap hahaha, i end up being manascrewed and no blockers next turn... Ainok Bond-Kin is still added (i've removed Expedition Envoy just for the combo that i usually play) in the deck but i'm thinking of changing it in the future with Arashin Foremost
October 28, 2015 12:33 a.m.
@semaj0113 Sounds great! If there is anything else you have questions about regarding the deck, feel free to ask me.
October 28, 2015 4:48 p.m.
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October 31, 2015 2:22 a.m.
@Swilliams hmmmmmmmmmmmm...i think this latest update is way cooler than the previous...
October 31, 2015 11:59 p.m.
Thanks man, I'm glad to hear you like it! What do you think of it terms of your version of the deck? @semaj0113
November 1, 2015 12:39 p.m.
@Swilliam hey! yeah i do like this set up...Valorous Stance was removed in exchange of the Hidden Dragonslayer and the life link ability + the counters from Consul's Lieutenant when it's already renowned for every attacking creatures, and lastly Scale Blessing sweeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttt!!!!!
i forgot to mention the mighty Abzan Falconer hahahahaha!
November 1, 2015 6:04 p.m.
Great! I was hoping you'd enjoy the update! @semaj0113
November 1, 2015 8:24 p.m.
Swilliam i was sad when i've went to :
and found out about the new updates. So come January the deck i've built from your beautiful mind will loose some of it's precious pieces :
imagine, it's not even two months when i've built the deck (haven't even played it most of the time) and here comes the rotation. But it's fine...that's just the way it is...so i've searched for cards that will be a good substitute for the above mentioned cards and the list are the ff. (i dunno if the ff are good enough, i need your opinion on this)
Possible Spells?
Creatures in exchange for Abzan Falconer
looping in BlueGospelOne whatcha think? cause i've noticed in your recent changes for the sides regarding your constructed deck.Since most of the pieces are from KTK.
@ALL
but i do hope that there will be awesome cards from the incoming block that will be able to compensate(hopefully much better) form the outgoing cards come January.
November 4, 2015 11:11 p.m.
grrrrrrrr! i can't post it...anyway i'm sure you guys know what i'm talking about haha...
November 4, 2015 11:14 p.m.
or Enshrouding Mist? in exchange for Feat of Resistance
November 5, 2015 10:26 a.m.
I don't plan on playing this deck after rotation, mainly because it just isn't worth playing anymore. Most of the cards you need to make this deck tick we lose during that time. I think the best way to go would to play a deck using Gleam of Authority or Arashin Foremost or maybe both. You probably don't feel as rewarded as I do playing this deck because I have really had time to play it a bunch! But maybe I will have the chance to create another deck you like, or you will come up with an amazing idea and make something great yourself! Oh and BTW rotation isn't until April, so I wouldn't be too concerned yet. You still have time to get some competitive games in!
November 5, 2015 2:10 p.m.
TheLivingCME says... #24
Great deck! You could try to sneak in Aven Sunstriker maybe? Or even Arashin Foremost! :)
November 13, 2015 2:34 p.m.
Thanks! I have thought about using Arashin Foremost before, but I have decided that it fits better into other decks.
BlueGospelOne says... #1
The problem with pumping spare mana into Ainok Bond-Kin is that he won't be attacking when you're doing that. @CheeseBro if Dragonscale General doesn't turn out to be good I'd rather have High Sentinels of Arashin than Kytheon's Irregulars. They're both late game mana sinks but High Sentinels of Arashin has built in evasion.
October 7, 2015 1:19 p.m.