greasysweet says... #2
@OokamiMaster do you think I should add some kind of draw engine, maybe something like Read the Bones?
December 6, 2014 2:15 p.m.
@greasysweet He's saying you'll mill yourself, not that your hand goes empty.
December 6, 2014 9:18 p.m.
OokamiMaster says... #4
FancyFish is right. No matter how much you have on the battlefield if you run out of cards in your deck you'll still lose. though chances are you'll win before then. My decks (not ones currently listed on tappedout) are generally designed to stall so I can build up a large mana base and clean up late game. So stall decks and mill decks will be your enemy I think. Maybe you could sideboard Cranial Archive or something?
December 7, 2014 8:18 a.m.
greasysweet says... #5
@OokamiMaster Ok, I definitely agree with that. Cranial Archive is good for the big return all, but what is your opinion on Bow of Nylea? I kind of like it better because it does more, and the last effect can still just be used each turn if you're getting close to milling out. The bow also let's you choose which cards, so if you're at the bottom of your deck, you could say put an Empty the Pits right on top.
December 7, 2014 10:29 a.m.
OokamiMaster says... #6
@greasysweet yeah, thats' definetly a good option, I run two in my Natures Growth deck and I've always found it very helpful. Thanks to your deck though I noticed a flaw in mine. I had really strong creatures out but all your deck had to do was nerf block with a Zombie. So to get around that I now run 2x Nylea, God of the Hunt as well giving trample to all my buffed up satyrs. I've noticed as well with your deck that if you don't get Sidisi, Brood Tyrant out it falls apart fairly quickly but I'm not sure how to improve that?
December 7, 2014 10:43 a.m.
greasysweet says... #7
@OokamiMaster I'm not a huge fan of Nylea, God of the Hunt in this deck, because I really don't win with big creatures, it's typically a swarm victory. I was also looking at some other Sultai decks and their suggestions, and saw that Pharika, God of Affliction was pretty popular to put out those 1/1 deathtouchers for 2 mana. If I were to mainboard Pharika, God of Affliction and Bow of Nylea (which I think is really helpful and kinda just want to mainboard), then what do you think I could take out?
December 7, 2014 11:03 a.m.
OokamiMaster says... #8
@greasysweet I didn't actually mean to suggest Nylea, God of the Hunt, I don't think she herself would be very helpful in your deck. Each time I playtested your deck I found that Kruphix, God of Horizons wasn't very helpful. Everything else worked really well so it's hard to say. I was going to suggest Kiora's Follower but it would work really well with Bow of Nylea. Maybe you could take Villainous Wealth out?
December 7, 2014 1:36 p.m.
greasysweet says... #9
@OokamiMaster I kinda liked Kruphix, God of Horizons, but he does require a lot of build up, which some decks will deprive me of. I also would like to keep Villainous Wealth just because of how ridiculous it can be with a lot of mana. What's your opinion on Dictate of Karametra? I could just flash play it at the end of my opponent's turn, and then cast a Villainous Wealth or Empty the Pits the next turn. I might also throw in the Pharika, God of Affliction because deathtouch makes a nice defense and my devotion is a lot more G/B.
December 7, 2014 2:38 p.m.
OokamiMaster says... #10
@greasysweet I think you might be trying to do too much in the one deck. It is allot about swarming but you should focus more on a particular strategy/theme or the way of achieving your goal. For everything you want to add you will have to sacrifice some things you like. it's the hardest part of deck building lol. Yes Villainous Wealth can do some amazing things but is it necessary? Is it better to focus on Empty the Pits or to focus on Villainous Wealth? At the same time it's your deck and adding what you like is what makes it unique and not just a carbon copy of any Sultai deck. If you feel it is necessary then you'll have to take something else out. I agree on adding Pharika, God of Affliction though. I hope you don't feel like I'm criticising you or anything. I'm just trying my best to help make some hard decisions.
December 7, 2014 4:38 p.m.
greasysweet says... #11
@OokamiMaster I think you're right. When trying to build a standard deck, I can tend to get sidetracked and try to accomplish too much. I have just changed around some things to focus more on Empty the Pits and other delve cards, rather than being spread out too thin. Thanks for the advice.
December 7, 2014 6:08 p.m.
OokamiMaster says... #12
@greasysweet Wow, looking pretty solid now. I might run this myself at some point :-)
I'll suggest this to my mates.I'll link it on my own deck as well as I used it to playtest against yours a few times.
Also thanks for your upvote on mine. :-)
December 8, 2014 5:56 p.m.
If you need mana how bout Karametra's Acolyte + Singing Bell Strike ? You could even enchant the follower with the strike to INFINITELY untap everything you own!
December 12, 2014 1:07 a.m.
kittycatsupremeoverlord says... #14
Nice deck! +1 Take a look at my similar build: I Have More Cards In My Graveyard Than You! HaHa!
December 25, 2014 11:34 p.m.
ZakMyLastName says... #15
"Budget"$115.92 is not the pinnicle of budget decks. Also, 6 cards are missing from that calculation so it is bound to be around $150. try something around $45. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-need-a-hero-to-save-me-tons-of-cash-in-khans/
January 18, 2015 10:40 p.m.
greasysweet says... #16
@ZakMyLastName Those missing cards are only missing for mtg online, but are already calculated within that 115 number. The 115 number also uses tcgplayer medium prices, which are horribly overpriced. Finally, this "budget" is for me, assuming that I already own the playset of Sidisi, Brood Tyrant and Whip of Erebos. Combined with cart optimization, the lowering of FRF card prices, and already owning the aforementioned cards, the rest of this deck could be bought for 30-40$. It's only deceptively expensive,
January 18, 2015 11:24 p.m.
ZakMyLastName says... #17
true but i dont see this deck taking off like heroic did. And to truly find the #1 budget deck, there needs to be playtesting. Lots of it. And i dont see you volunteering to do that.
January 19, 2015 3:58 a.m.
greasysweet says... #18
I've actually been playtesting this deck a lot with a couple friends of mine. I keep on switching up the board slightly, because I am seeing what works, and what could be done better. So yes, it is being playtested, and good progress is being made.
January 19, 2015 11:41 a.m.
greasysweet says... #19
Replaced Tasigur, the Golden Fang with Rakshasa Deathdealer because Yikes! Tasiugr is not worth 10$. I might upgrade if he goes down in price
January 30, 2015 4:56 p.m.
plusmental says... #20
Will increase CMC of deck, BUT Undergrowth Scavenger instead of Rakshasa Deathdealer?
February 1, 2015 7:54 p.m.
greasysweet says... #21
@plusmental well, Tasigur, the Golden Fang would be ideal, but I chose Rakshasa Deathdealer because i needed to not have a totally dead early game. I also feel that Undergrowth Scavenger's inability to grow is less than ideal, but thanks for the suggestion.
February 1, 2015 8:34 p.m.
MAGESTIC_LLAMA says... #22
Temporal Trespass is fairly useless in this deck, wheras a Treasure Cruise would be insane.
February 4, 2015 5:02 p.m.
MAGESTIC_LLAMA says... #23
Also, Dead Drop in sideboard for hexproof/indestrutible
February 4, 2015 5:03 p.m.
greasysweet says... #24
Temporal Trespass has consistently won games for me. I don't need a hand full of cards, because my graveyard shenanigans with Whip of Erebos and other cards gives me card advantage, so Treasure Cruise is unneeded. Dead Drop is an idea, but the only thing that has hexproof and indestructible is Fleecemane Lion, so that's one card in standard that can be removed preemptively. Silence the Believers and Archfiend of Depravity can get rid of indestructibles, while Fade into Antiquity can remove gods, and Hornet Queen can stop hexproofs, so I like my current setup better, but thanks for the comments.
OokamiMaster says... #1
I normally don't like Sultai and never seen the real use behind it but your deck is really good. If i had to say anything about it, it would have to be that when playtesting your deck it could run out of cards when stalled. But near the end of the game the zombies just became too much. So yeah, I love the deck. An upvote from me.
December 6, 2014 10:34 a.m.