Hi Minelia5,That is a great card and I had him in the early testing phase but I found it hard to consistently flip him. This in turn lead me to other cards to flip him and took me further from my core idea. It might be worth it with Moonmist however, as that saves my wolves and let's them attack fearlessly. What would you remove to make room? I would really rather it be mono green but I'm open to werewolves.
May 13, 2014 3:33 p.m.
PrimeEpoch says... #3
It's a good beginners and casual deck, but will never be competitive imo. I would take out things like Wren's Run Packmaster , as you don't run many elves. If it was my deck, I'd splash red for things like Huntmaster of the Fells Flip , but it does make the deck quite a bit more expensive then.
If you want to get into competitive play, I can help you if you like. :)
May 13, 2014 3:51 p.m.
Hi nayaftw,
I realize it isn't an optimum build for competition, but it does ok. Everybody at the card shop wants me to add Huntmaster of the Fells Flip as well, so you aren't alone there. I just don't want to go down the Red / Green path yet. As far as Wren's Run Packmaster I have my doubts as well, but it does seem to find targets in the majority of games, between the 4 Elvish Mystic and the 4 Bramblewood Paragon .
It is possible that adding the Mayor of Avabruck Flip and Huntmaster of the Fells Flip along with Moonmist and ditching some of the lesser creatures and enchantments would make it a much stronger deck tho. Thanks for the suggestions. :)
May 13, 2014 4:01 p.m.
PrimeEpoch says... #5
If you don't want to go R/G, then don't. You probably have your own reasons for doing it, and the rule is never to do something just because some other people say that it's good. Part of becoming a good player is learning for yourself imo.
The mayor and Moonmist would make the deck stronger, you run too many high cost spells for this to be an aggro deck, and that's what it's trying to be. I'd cut some of those, and sort out your mana curve.
May 13, 2014 4:14 p.m.
Right on. If everybody made the same decks it would get boring. :)
May 13, 2014 4:20 p.m.
Possible updates after feedback:
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+4 Moonmist
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-3 ???
May 13, 2014 4:35 p.m.
Have you thought about using Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx at all? Seems like you should be able to generate a decent amount of devotion with the mono green setup. Something like Bow of Nylea might also be useful to give all of your wolf tokens death touch. All in all it looks like a pretty fun and flavorful deck! +1
May 13, 2014 5:02 p.m.
Hi kmcree!
I have wondered about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and want to test it for sure. That was one thing among others that was keeping me from going red green and adding Immerwolf and / or Huntmaster of the Fells Flip even tho I have a playset of Rootbound Crag and Stomping Ground .
Hadn't thought about the bow tho... That might let me dump the Packmaster altogether. Thanks for the suggestion!
May 13, 2014 5:17 p.m.
Made the deck faster and added several cards including Bow of Nylea ,Mayor of Avabruck Flip , and Moonmist . Cut down the enchantments and I think the curve is getting better. Also experimenting with Wolfbriar Elemental .
I will update the description again after I test. Thanks guys. Any more suggestions looking at this list?
May 13, 2014 6:47 p.m.
Testing Wolfbriar Elemental vs. Rancor and having a hard time deciding which to keep in the deck. Rancor gives trample which is very nice, but the elemental can be a late game token machine. Any thoughts?
May 14, 2014 10:23 p.m.
I hope you liked my werewolf deck. It can be pretty nasty if there are more than 3 on the battlefield.
I noticed that your deck focus around wolf tokens above all, so I don't think splashing red is a good idea. There are no red wolf creatures that can fit well with your deck without messing with your consistency.
That being said, I do think there are some cards that you can consider for your deck.
Kessig Cagebreakers - Since the tokens only appear when he is attacking, there's not much the opponent can do without wasting removals.
Prey Upon - Might be a good solution to defend yourself against flying creatures or other threats.
Daybreak Ranger Flip - Same reasons.
If you insist on red. Just say and we can think about what can be changed.
May 20, 2014 9:37 a.m.
Thanks for the suggestions rpmrn100!
Prey Upon seems good and I will try it out, but I rarely have problems killing creatures on the other side of the field with Master of the Wild Hunt and Ulvenwald Tracker able to send wolves to fight for me.
I am also looking at working the Adaptive Automaton into the mix, perhaps in place of the Tracker. I like his ability to pump up either wolves or werewolves depending on what I have more of when he comes into play, and it nearly replicates an Immerwolf in that regard, without the nerfing of transformation of course. Maybe you can't have it all in mono-green wolves, but it is working out pretty well. :)
May 20, 2014 10:27 a.m.
Also considering Daybreak Ranger Flip and Rootbound Crag as the Ranger just seems so powerful and there is very little downside if he cannot fight because I haven't got any red on the field.
May 20, 2014 11:16 a.m.
Sure! I was suggested to put Adaptive Automaton on my deck either, butt Immerwolf did the job.
And, since the transformation isn't you focus, it's not a great loss.
One thing that I see and might be bad for you is that you only have 1 of Vigor , Ulvenwald Tracker and Parallel Lives ... That make them pretty hard to get. Are they necessary for the deck?
If they are, you should put at least 2 of them. If not so much, increase the amount of another important card or add the Adaptive Automaton .
Also, do you really need the mana ramp from Elvish Mystic ?
If so, consider replacing it for Scorned Villager Flip . It stays in your theme and it she transfoms you'll get even more mana.
May 20, 2014 11:25 a.m.
Yea! Adaptive looks sweet... just don't know what to take out lol. I do have one Scorned Villager Flip that I have tried in the past, but I really want to be playing Mayor of Avabruck Flip turn 2. That and the villager ramps more late game, where I can imagine it really helps a deck with Howl of the Nightpack and other 7-9 drops that I don't currently run.
As far as the 1 of Vigor I use Garruk, the Veil-Cursed Flip to search for him when I am ready, and I don't need him to win, it just puts a 'lock' on the game most of the time when I do. Being a six drop, I would rather just have 1 of him and search when I need him.
The Ulvenwald Tracker is just a filler until I can get the last Master of the Wild Hunt , but he does work and lets me spread my attacks around a bit, whereas the Master sends every wolf at a single target, which can get restrictive.
Parallel Lives is a questionable card in my mind right now... it does amazing work in some circumstances, but I always wonder if just having another attacker would be better as it seems I always win long games, its the fast paced games that can beat me. So its there just to see how it goes. I guess it fills an pseudo anti-control utility role much like the Wolfir Avenger which can help keep up pressure in the face of board wipes...
R/G splash with Immerwolf ,Huntmaster of the Fells Flip , Daybreak Ranger Flip , Rootbound Crag , and Raging Ravine is still on my mind for some reason today. I might have to create a R/G version just to get that out of my system.
May 20, 2014 11:40 a.m.
Honestly if you splash red, you can have one of the most killer werewolf combos. Kruin Outlaw Flip and Instigator Gang Flip transformed practically ends the game.
But with red, won't you lose some of the tokens opportunities?
And just a warning, Immerwolf stops Huntmaster of the Fells Flip ability. They don't have a very good sinergy. That's why I just use the wolves.
And I understood and like the way you use Vigor .
The advantage of putting more werewolves in the deck is using Full Moon's Rise as a massive creature regenerator. Then you could remove Wolfir avanger and Parallel Lives .
May 20, 2014 11:57 a.m.
I like this deck would you like to suggest what I should improve for my deck The Huntmaster's Army? I would really appreciate it. I like the mono-green takes on the wolves but splashing red like other people have already said would help make the deck stronger but you could even throw in a Nylea, God of the Hunt because of your mono-green devotion and the combo of her and Bow of Nylea is deadly. +1
May 21, 2014 12:18 p.m.
thanks bradleyrj!
I have thought about Nylea before but I haven't tried her yet in this deck. I will try her tonight and see how it goes... Of course, if the shop still has another copy of Master of the Wild Hunt in the case I will probably just buy that lol. My red/green version of the deck is here --> Red Green Wolf Dinner if you want to see what happened when I splashed some red. I like it a lot in playtesting so I might have to build it as well.
May 21, 2014 2:48 p.m.
the_duck_god says... #20
Aww man, this looks great :D If you want to go for slightly more versatility, though, it all comes down to what you are expecting to verse. If it comes across as pushy, ignore me :D I'm not trying to be, it's just how discussing online goes :D
If you are expecting to deal with a lot of flying decks, I would drop the Wrap in Vigor and Great Sable Stag from the sideboard and replace them with Ulvenwald Tracker and Spidersilk Armor respectively. Wrap is a great card, but Moonmist works that little bit better - with Mayor of Avabruck Flip and whatnot - and Tracker is a small solution to not splashing red to use Kessig Wolf Run and Daybreak Ranger Flip .
Also, I would drop the Parallel Lives altogether, myself. They are great when you are running multiple - I play G/W Tokens and there is no better feeling than spawning several squirrels from one land - but on its own, it's kind of a dull card for 4 mana. There are some great cards that do work as just spontaneous backup in green - Tree of Redemption is one of my favorite splash cards, Wild Pair is also a fun one-of.
But I really like the deck! You could also sideboard a Tornado Elemental because it is hilarious when they aren't expecting it - just swap out Vigor or Parallel Lives for him and then swap it back.
May 22, 2014 10:11 a.m.
Looking for a singleton card to replace Parallel Lives in testing this weekend... I think perhaps Quest for Renewal or another repeatable untap effect like Seedborn Muse might be something that works well as my board is regularly tapped out to kill creatures I don't want on the other side of the battlefield. Though if it were a 5 drop I would probably have to replace a Wolfir Silverheart to fit it into the curve. Any suggestions?
May 23, 2014 10:36 a.m.
the_duck_god says... #22
Oooh, Quest for Renewal looks like it could be fun. If you see a lot of mill decks, as a one-of you could run Gaea's Blessing as it just puts a total halt to the method to kill you which is always nice.
May 23, 2014 10:54 a.m.
Swapped out Parallel Lives for an Isochron Scepter to copy the Moonmist . I think it will be nuts when it works, as the moonmist is normally a board wipe for my deck.
May 24, 2014 9:51 p.m.
I got around to MTG again and I saw your comment. Thanks for that the Mayor of Avabruck Flip seems like an interesting option.
As for your deck Daybreak Ranger Flip is nice, but I found that Master of the Wild Hunt is generally enough removal. Although unlike mine you are not based on tokens but actual cards which makes it more expansive to use.And if you play Daybreak Ranger Flip you need to consider some red mana otherwise its partially useless.
June 3, 2014 12:43 a.m.
Taking this back to the store and really need help vs splinter twin... Any suggestions are welcome!
Minelia5 says... #1
Out of curiosity, are you okay with werewolves in your deck like Mayor of Avabruck Flip ? He is only one werewolf that would be a great addition to your deck!
May 13, 2014 3:26 p.m.