Storm sounds hard as hell. One of the few match ups I haven't gone against. Jeleva I haven't had too much trouble against tbh. She gets stuck in counter wars where I capitalize by sneaking a problematic boardstate. I used to run Heartwood Storyteller , but my pod would get out of control with the amount of draw the blue players were getting, so I stopped running it in favor of Runic Armasaur .
April 2, 2019 11:30 a.m.
CyborgAeon says... #3
Runic was going in for sure - it capitalizes on the t&k / t&t / Gitrog lists with the 8+fetchlands that they use.
I can see what you mean by the control players getting out of hand fast, but this is akin to a hatebear. I don't think there's a reasonable creature that I can run which will function like damping sphere... maybe I should just run a copy of trinisphere for punishing the fast-plays... nonetheless - I'll let you know when I've developed a more rounded opinion.
April 2, 2019 noon
CyborgAeon: Yeah, the Dino has been amazing in this deck.
I honestly don't know how well stax would perform in this list, sometimes I wish I had more stax effects like Manglehorn , but if I venture too deep into that territory I feel like I would deviate from a decklist where every slot is vital.
April 2, 2019 1:29 p.m.
U could add Root Maze and break parity by not running fetches.. it would shut you out of Mouth of Ronom loops whenever u played it but it's only 1 card and definitely worth it. I've dropped turn 1 Root Maze.. the effect on 90% of anything High Power and above is completely devastating
April 2, 2019 11:57 p.m.
I've always wanted to add Root Maze , I could never seem to find the spot and I depend on fetches for Dryad Arbor
April 3, 2019 12:09 a.m.
Is Dryad Arbor really that important though? I include it because of GSZ but I never fetch it
April 3, 2019 12:33 a.m.
You'd be surprised. Natural Order , Eldritch Evolution , taps with Earthcraft to keep a storm going, if there's a Utopia Sprawl / Wild Growth while Earthcraft is out the fetch becomes a one for two, Great Oak Guardian / Benefactor's Draught when going wide-mana storm, and Cradle/ Regal Force creature count.
April 3, 2019 12:49 a.m.
channelfireball12345 says... #9
For what it’s worth, primal command sends a noncreature permanent to the top of its owners library; exarch sends it to the bottom.
April 3, 2019 7:39 a.m.
If you use it for removal you just shuffle their grave in so that the tucked permanent is shuffled in
April 3, 2019 8:06 a.m.
channelfireball12345: Usually getting it off the field is enough to seal the deal, since the ideal situation is looping it, but there's always Soren841's solution as well.
The only thing I am not a fan of is the reliance on E-Wit once Brutalizer Exarch is out of the deck. Makes me want to find a slot for Skullwinder .
April 3, 2019 8:36 a.m.
Why the Boreal Druid ? it's like, the worst green mana dork in MTG. you have so many better options. even elves that untap a land are better than that one. Somberwald Sage for example, it taps for the same mana that it costs to cast it. the only thing you lose with that one is the elf syngery, so unless that's important to you, that one is just better in my opinion. is it the mana cost? 1 mana cost vs 3? but this is a very nice deck none the less, I really liked the budget version of this as well.
April 8, 2019 12:57 a.m.
CyborgAeon says... #13
The main reason, Fallerup is thanks to the prettiest mana: . This means that once abundant mana has been reached you likely have abundant untaps also. If there're no snow-forests in play (due to whatever mysterious reason, maybe 'geddon) you're able to still loop Mouth of Ronom on your opponents by untapping this elf. That's as far as I can gather, though.
April 8, 2019 4:53 a.m.
Fallerup.. Somberwald Sage is 3 mana and Boreal Druid is 1.
April 8, 2019 6:34 a.m.
Fallerup: The reason for the Boreal Druid is efficiency and consistency. We need every one drop dork green has to offer, because we want to leave the early game as quickly as possible. Somberwald Sage can only be used on creatures, which isn't very useful in the grand scheme of things despite the creature based nature of the deck.
Last but not least, elves are an important sub theme and a lot of my infinite Mana loops require me to repeatedly bounce creatures and the more cost efficient they are the easier it becomes to execute the combo.
April 8, 2019 7:30 a.m.
I see, mana efficiency, I can understand that. I was gonna link Arbor Elf as well, but I guess I forgot. but ok, I understand, the deck needs elves.
April 8, 2019 9:02 a.m.
Fallerup: Yeah lol. I think I would be mocked and ridiculed if Boreal Druid made it into the deck before Arbor Elf . Not to mention the synergy it has with Wild Growth and Utopia Sprawl .
April 8, 2019 9:45 a.m.
so, one question... how does this deck deal with Iona, Shield of Emeria ??? Scour from Existence is the usual work around I suppose, but you don't have it.
April 8, 2019 10:45 a.m.
That's what Mouth of Ronom is for. It can be played multiple times to take out problems creatures like Iona.
April 8, 2019 10:50 a.m.
ah, I see, I didn't catch that one, it's nice since it can go into any deck and Scour from Existence is only a one time use, so that is far superior to it, costs less mana too.
April 8, 2019 11:52 a.m.
Fallerup: Iona pretty much shuts me out of the game if it resolves.
Once the color is chosen, it's too late for me to respond by casting spells of that color. Iona is not yet in the battlefield at the time the color is chosen, so I can't cast Beast Within to destroy it if the chosen color is Green, for example.
Kamerot: Same thing goes for Mouth of Ronom , since it needs Noxious Revival and Crop Rotation to be looped and the damage can only done when it's on the field.
However, I don't encounter Iona too often, but when I do and I know she's a threat I usually try and storm off while she's on the stack, or play around her using Yisan, the Wanderer Bard . The Yisan route needs to have Mouth of Ronom pop op at some point though, so it can be used in tandem with Somberwald Stag . Iona is an all around terrible card in competitive formats and unless the deck's absolute strategy is to get Iona out to call green, then they'll probably almost always lose if that's the primary function of the game. Scour from Existence is overcosted and a terrible card, unfortunately.
April 8, 2019 11:57 a.m.
I hate Iona with a passion, she's the main reason I threw Karn Liberated in my kamahl deck. Extremely hard to handle.
April 8, 2019 1:14 p.m.
Kamerot: I wish I had that luxury, unfortunately, my deck being a dedicated combo deck, every slot is tied up with fundamental mechanic for the deck to function. Luckily, Iona is hella slow and impractical in my meta, which btw is predominantly blue, so if there's somehow an Iona in my meta they'd most likely be calling blue.
April 8, 2019 1:21 p.m.
Luck is on your side there. I have 3 friends who have iona in a deck and 2 of them will say green no matter what if I'm playing kamahl. Lol.
On a side note, I'm beyond amazed with how well you've tuned this deck. It's an absolute monster.
Mono Green 4 Life!
CyborgAeon says... #1
I have a hunch that it'll be storm that upsets me the most. Unfortunately a severe lack of stack-based interaction makes it a tough-time to stop decks such as Jeleva / Yidris. But Heartwood Storyteller hopefully will be the spice my meta needs.
April 2, 2019 11:05 a.m.