lifemtg: None of the Viviens help the deck do what it's trying to accomplish, so they'd merely function as utility pieces. I don't mean to sound harsh and I implore that you take a look at the guide for a more fleshed out reason.

If you'd like to specify which ones, in particular, would flourish in this deck and what you'd recommend removing for them, I would gladly consider them, if you have compelling enough reasons.

Sry, I didnt have time to give a good comment. I accidently posted on Commander Help, but didn't comment on this, so yah. sry lame excuse. Anyways Wilderness Reclamation is a good add to this deck. God-Eternal Rhonas is also a good add. Silklash Spider also gets rid of those pesky Dragons or Angels. Panharmonicon also helps with ETB effects. Emerald Medallion , and Rhonas's Monument helps to. But neither is really super necessary. Primeval Bounty is a nice card too.

lifemtg While Wilderness Reclamation can be argued, the rest of those are really, really bad in this deck. This is a cedh deck, so 'those pesky Dragons or Angels' don't exist as a real threat in any capacity. Why would this deck want God-Eternal Rhonas or Primeval Bounty at all?

SynergyBuild sry guys i was looking at this deck at kinda aggro, I played against one Yeva deck before, but he played ramp, play creatures in his turn, then flash creatures on my turn.

SynergyBuild: Thank you for that. I really don't mind clarifying the fundamental aspects of my deck, but it's honestly very nice to know you're versed enough to help me with these kinds of comments when I can't get to them.

lifemtg I know it can be a bit of a drag to read a whole guide, but I highly suggest you at least try and figure out what the deck does before jumping the gun and making baseless recommendations. The deck does not care for combat. It can efficiently win without combat on any turn and dedicating a slot for a Combat trick would hurt the decks consistency.

Wilderness Reclamation : On paper this card seems like it does everything the deck wants, however at 30 lands my deck usually stops giving lands after the 3rd/4th land since the deck can easily play off of it. I rather pay one more Mana for Seedborn Muse to untap everything and it can be tutored.

What do you think of this new card modern horizons is brining?

https://i.imgur.com/Ibu42BK.png

It looks kind of promising and I'm ceetainly going to give it a try when the time comes

l13199l: you just gave me something to stay up all night obsessing over... fml. Yes, this is good, no, I don't know what to remove for it right now lol.

Well hello there Inkmoth, nice deck you got here.

Have you been running into many exile effects? Riftsweeper could very well have a place here, plus it has value against food chain decks that put cast from exile creatures into exile with cheap tutors. Certainly a flex spot but I bet the new Sisay will spark another round of FC decks (I've been thinking about building one lol).

You should consider the usually laughable Sunscorched Desert . It acts as a second win condition with Crop Rotation loops if Shaman is offline or unavailable. Use the Mouth of Ronom loop with the desert to kill players.

I also have three spicy suggestions that go together, but they are hard to tutor in mono G and most likely don't fit. Rings of Brighthearth Sensei's Divining Top Voltaic Key . Rings can combo with Top as an outlet for infinite mana. Top can also generate infinite mana/draw with Paradox Engine and Voltaic Key . Rings lets you combo off with Deserted Temple and Cradle or Itlimoc or Nykthos, provided they produce high enough mana counts. Rings also combos off with Key + Thousand-Year Elixir + any big dork that can generate 5+ mana

Top has the benefit of allowing you to sauce on opponents from a zone they have a hard time hitting. It would allow let you up tutor density with Sylvan Tutor . Works well with Worldly Tutor and Noxious Revival , plus gives effective card advantage when using Fetchlands to shuffle away bad top 3.

Hi dingusdingo, while I can't comment confidently on the argument for / against combos with rings I think that at least one rings combo was in at some point... maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I'm not sure how a wholly untutorable combo would be an easy slot into the deck any more. Then again, there are those more educated in yeva than I who can likely help.

On the other hand I can attest that the Sunscorched Desert loop was in not too long ago, but it was found that the same loop for flipping abundant lands can be performed using both Mouth of Ronom to nuke the board alongside Geier Reach Sanitarium to draw all opponents to death (at instant speed!). Desert may be smoother as it offers unbounded damage as opposed to draw, but either way I believe that is the reason that it got cut.

Furthermore, while I'm all for the idea of using and abusing new Sisay, I'd definitely recommend NOT going for a FC build (as she only exists to activate her ability, and FC doesn't help with that). If you look there's been a slew of fantastic memes and great discussion over on the cEDH FC discord and the cEDH reddit about The First Sliver (commonly believed to be the most optimal food chain cEDH general) I'd recommend checking them out.

Check out my Food Chain list for The First Sliver! :) Sliver Hulk

CyborgAeon: First and foremost, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to address all of dingusdingo's suggestions. You were right on all accounts.

dingusdingo: I wanted to apologize for not getting back to you sooner. Thank you very much for the support and for taking the time to make your recommendations.

Riftsweeper : If this is added, it would be to pander to my senseless paranoia. Too many parts of the deck have to be exiled for it to mean anything as the deck has become modular enough to close games effectively even when "integral" combo pieces get exiled.

Sensei's Divining Top : Yeva at the helm means every draw has to be impactful in some form or another and Top tends to help the longer the game drags, which this deck really detests. It was in the deck for a while before being swapped for Skullclamp which has allowed us to dig. Digging in this context will always be stronger than any top deck manipulation, even with shuffle effects and top tutor(s).

Rings of Brighthearth : This is the first time I've had this recommendation and upon looking at the whole list, I can see how this card can be fun as hell... though it feels like a win-more angle and another artifact I can't depend on, especially when it's a combo that also involves Voltaic Key which has little to no impact on the deck as a whole. Willing to try it for fun and let you know how it goes.

Sunscorched Desert : Here's the update where it's addressed in great deal.

Soren841: I will >.>

Rings + fetch-lands = 1 funtime.

CyborgAeon: I wish, since there's a couple things that will go well with it.

• There's also double bouncing with The Cat .

• Double untaps with Wirewood Symbiote / Quirion Ranger / Voyaging Satyr / Umbral Mantle / Staff of Domination .

• Double tutors with Survival of the Fittest / Yisan, the Wanderer Bard .

• Double flips with Vivien's Arkbow .

Infinite mana via rings + Deserted Temple + Gaea's Cradle ;

It also makes all uses with umbral mantle require the dork to generate G fewer (umbral mantle normally requires 4, with rings it means you only require 3 to untap, tap the creature in response, pay 2 to resolve the rings trigger, just as you would with basalt monolith)... almost a reason to run 3 Llanowar Elves (^;

While I really am rooting for you to run Collector Ouphe in this build, it feels (how can I put this?) dangerous.

Firstly, though I'm no aficionado with the build, I'd suggest weighing up how often (like an x/10) do you win via an artifact helping you to generate abundant mana? Furthermore: How often do you play into/against artifact decks such as shimmer-zur; PST, Nin, etc? I'd want to slam-dunk this in too, and if I had to name a spot? Well, with the London Mulligan potentially becoming official for all formats (watch this space) - likely a single land could be removed.

On that same note, Manglehorn is a 'stax' piece in that he operates in forcing opposed rocks to come into play tapped (thank goodness, this has brought in winter orbs tapped) - but with that same likelihood, collector ouphe is "better" as he hits all artifacts at once.

Force of Nature is the strongest of the cycle (as it is actually a 2 for 2) - though I'd suggest taking out a land for one of these, the other only real 'flex-slots' I can see (and I use that term VERY loosely) are Manglehorn and Noxious Revival - despite that being your best form of "grave hate"... those are the only ones I could suggest comfortably, anyway.

I'm also in favor of collector over manglehorn. In favor of prismatic vista, it thins just like the rest of your fetches, but I'm sure at this point that adds up to such a small win % that it really wouldn't matter

Collector is easily worse than Manglehorn in this list. Vista should just be an auto include.

CyborgAeon: Stahp it! You're going to convince me to run Rings of Brighthearth ! lol Seriously though, that card "works" in any deck, I wish it was essential in this one :/

Shimmer Zur has not been as scary as I thought it would be. Yeva has had a couple of favorable matchups against it and I've only lost to it once. Collector Ouphe will make it in, but I am doubtful it will ever replace Manglehorn , the "destroy" part has been incredibly relevant. Noxious will most likely never leave the deck as it is a much-needed recursion piece as well a strong Plan B.

l13199l/Soren841: Fetchlands are in for Dryad Arbor which Prismatic Vista cannot fetch, so I honestly think there are more arguments against it than for it since thinning is also a myth. All I can think of its use for is Sylvan Library , but any time I get it, I pay 8 every time to dig, cause that's what I need to be doing always.

As for my predicament, gentlemen, I would love to keep hearing your thoughts while I tackle it upstairs (my head).

Inkmoth, thinning isn't a myth. Statistically insignificant? Maybe, but it's just factually incorrect to say it's not real. The bottom line is there is no detriment to running it, and since this is intended to be an optimal list, you're basically required to run every untapped fetch possible.

not trying to offend you but can you not post you 233 upvoted deck and have people look at it [the top deck] and essentially ruin my past hour of work

Fair point about the dryad arbor, I forgot about him. Also I'm not used to playing against any fast mana that isn't a sol ring or chrome mox, so my mileage from Manglehorn is probably significantly worse than yours. I can see now why it's so difficult

Inkmoth I'm pretty sure that there's almost no other way to use sylvan library. If the card said "at the beginning of your draw step you lose 8 life, then draw 2 additional cards" I'd still run it.

Unfortunately every card in this list occupies 2+ strategies/backups. Maybe in order to calculate what to keep you could make a chart of the cards which layer/weave between one another to work out what cards are most flexible and whether or not you can cut any of those slots for ouphe.

Side note I'd love to see this deck win with a hulk trigger on the stack / in response to zur shimmering uncontrollably.

Also tutoring 2 cards with Survival of the Fittest + rings is gas.

Rings is bad here..

Soren841: In my heart, I believe it to be true that thinning is real, so I'd go as far as to say it's almost a myth? I'm most likely going to toss it in there, but I objectively see no reason why or why not lol.

Fellin22: I'm sorry, sir. I don't even know who you are or what I did to you and I'm sorry? Lmk please, so that I may rectify that mistake.

l13199l: Dryad Arbor is a godsend, from sac fodder to discard fodder to ramp. Very helpful little bugger. Manglehorn is a soft stax piece that always gives me the time I need to start popping off. It's also stopped Isochron Scepter in a pinch.

CyborgAeon: You know, I always believed it had to be universally known to be played that way ( Library ) good to know I wasn't wrong lol. As for your chart idea: That is super intriguing and I would love to see examples of that so that I may apply it to my deck as a tool to improve it. It also sounds visually amazing given how many sleepless nights I've spent reliving the multitude of lines that are available in this deck. For fun, I am going to toss it in for a few nights ( Rings ).

Your Side Note: I literally did something similar last night!!!

• Jhoira Player: Casts Power Artifact targetting Basalt Monolith .
• TnT Player: Casts Abrupt Decay targetting Basalt Monolith
• Jhoira: Ends turn
• Tnt: Flash
• Jhoira: Pact of Negation
• Tnt: Force of Will
• Yeva: Emergence Zone to play Staff of Domination on Karametra

Staff was my only card they thought I was out of the game. Tnt had Ad Nauseam so Flash was a ruse. They just didn't expect the Yeva win :D.