FinalZen could you give this a look

what about some Sunblade Elf s? might as well if you are going greenwhite. 1 mana usually for a 2/2 with a relevant ability

His ability doesnt involve counters, which with Hardened Scales are super good. The second ability doesnt specify target creatures so I couldn't activate heroic with it, unfortunately. A 1 drop for a 2/2 is nice but I cant see myself taking anything out for him.

i thought the +1/+1 from a plains would give it first strike and flying from the falconer and ainok. i thought it was a plus one counter that was placed on him.

Nah, counters are relatively permanent, his ability is a conditional and it has to specifically say +1/+1 counter. Thanks for the suggestion though

ok thanks. i play green white and struggle to make a standard playable deck. with khans, there are so many good decks like black blue control and jeskai.

Well with green white you should really pick whether you want midrange or ramp like I have. I recommend using a splash of black for various abzan creatures and removal spells e.g. Abzan Charm . I only have Banishing Light as my removal, but I have several creatures and cards that specifically protect my creatures such as Feat of Resistance , Gods Willing , Mistcutter Hydra and Fleecemane Lion .

black have good removal and is good for abzan cards. i use 2 Banishing Light and 2 Devouring Light . is there any green/white aggro decks out there?

Ramp is about it, drop a bunch of cheap heroic creatures and a hardened scale, then play a multi targeting spell or a couple cheap spells and you have a huge board state

Two initial questions:

• 1 How is this ramp?

• 2 How is this competitive?

In saying this I mean no offense. I'm legitimately curious what your win condition is against other top tier decks. Outlast is a fine ability... in other formats. Drafting and sealed get taken over by this that effect, because it's slower with less immediate "have to deal with" threats. For constructed formats I think outlast is too slow and clunky. You can't outlast the turn they come out, and it's only as a sorcery. I understand that you have other means to put counters on them, but even still I think it's not fast enough for the current standard (as slow and midrange-y as it is now). Also the various board-wipes going around such as End Hostilities will just win the game against you.

All that being said, I do like the deck. I think Savage Punch could be decent removal for you too.

I never outlast with those creatures, there are only two of each in here because giving all of my 5/5 creatures flying and first strike is usually a win. By turn 5 or 6 Ill have loads of large creatures on the field. Phalanx leader and hardened scales on the board at the same time give two +1/+1 to all other creatures, and if im playing really cheap targeting spells or there are multiple hardened scales it gets ridiculous. I prefer Setessan Tactics to Savage Punch in this deck because it targets multiple creatures, but I removed it because I wanted more cheap spells that protect my creatures.

Okay, I could see that being decent. How is it ramp though? I see none in here unless I'm missing something.

What do you mean you dont see it? I play small heroic creatures and ramp them up using hardened scales, this isnt mana ramping, its creature ramping. I have played several games where I get multiple creatures up to 12/12 in a short amount of time.

Oh okay. I've never heard ramp used in that sense is all.

Im thinking about adding Preeminent Captain if I do I may want to splash black for Anafenza, the Foremost and Armament Corps . -FinalZen, any thoughts on this?

I'd definitely keep the full set of Hardened Scales and add a full set of Fabled Hero . Turn 1 play hardened scales. Turn 3 play Fabled Hero. Turn 4 play 2x Feat of resistance on Fabled Hero. 10/10 double strike with protection from 2 colors.

Ive been tempted run him for some time, ill try him out next time I play. Id have to take out two cards to add four of him and another hardened scale(assuming i took out the setessan oathsworn)

i believe that however mainstream it is, azorious is much better than selesnya/settessa for heroic decks, gives you more survivability and a control aspect, check my heroic out Anti-removal Heroes

Sunblade Elf seems to be perfect for this

Just making sure youre clear on what the card means... the plains doesnt put a counter on him, just a situational +1/+1. Now, a 1 drop for a 2/2 could be nice aggro.

But he's competing with Lagonna Band Trailblazer for those three spots

Yah it is a difficult give up, Could be useful in some situations but for this meta his 2/2 isnt that great against all the 2/1's out there.

You could try Savage Punch and Setessan Tactics for removal while triggering heroic at the same time :)

I liked Setessan Tactics, but I removed it for protection or draw cards. I cant really see me taking anything out

Tactics can really work well for you against r/w and temur