I'm into that idea RiotRunner789. I threw Sylvan Scrying in here for that reason as well, but I'm also just a fan of the politics both of the cards you mentioned introduce, Pir's Whim in particular. Thanks!

Kruphix, God of Horizons, Spell Burst these could be some other good options.

Definitely like the idea of Spell Burst as it's on theme and super rude, especially if I have Seedborn Muse online. Kruphix is decent but perhaps a bit overkill here. Thanks for the suggestions sam171z!

I think Sylvan Scrying isn't a ramp card, but a mana fixing card. Instead, run Nature's Lore or some other ramp card.

So I know this deck revolves Around using Zaxara to the Utmost of its abilities and to that extent it is a very good thing. I would like to submit you and I have very Similar decks, but have you thought about Either changing the commander into Muldrotha the Gravetide? either that, or making her one of the 99? it affords the deck a unique ability to recur things you need fixes some mana based issues as well as draw power. all of this as well as adding a few unique win conditions in its own right and allowing you to apply every threa in your deck more than once. yes it means you may lose a Hydra as well but it also allows the use of a few cards to Further your gameplay while slowing you oponents down to a halt while they deal with the Muldy threat. and id agree with a few changes to make Yarok an option as well. Currently i am using a Hydra Evolution engine and Muldrotha as my commander to revitalize my Hydras and stacking a few unique ETB triggers with Yarok to allow for Multiple Hydras per Turn by Restacking Zaxaras effect and recycling Different cards to devastate my opponents with cards like Altar of Dimentia as the Hydras and +1+! counters make the Hydras huge then swing with Kalonian or somethiung big to Double the Counters on everything and Sack it again. Just some food for thought.Forkbeard

CrimsonSpartan28 I would think that swapping the commander to Muldy or Yarok would pretty much ruin the point of building around this new X cost tribal commander option. Zaxara seems like a decent value engine on his own, and swapping it out for Muldrotha or Yarok would simply make it one of the multi-thousand Sultai decks out there currently. You make good points about the power those commanders bring, but I think you could make the case that literally ANY sultai commander deck could switch generals to Muldrotha/Yarok and do dirty things.

Hear that _NotJohn_, in fact I had it in here previously as it's one of my fave ramp cards in green. Once I decided to slot in Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , I made some land tutor accommodations to assist, hence the inclusion of Expedition Map, Pir's Whim & Sylvan Scrying. I agree that it's not technically a ramp card, but it plays into my big mana strategy and it made the most sense to categorize it under ramp. My flawed logic explained!

While I appreciate what you're getting at CrimsonSpartan28, DoubleDub hit the nail on the head. Love Muldrotha, but Muldrotha didn't inspire me to make a deck, Zaxara did. I was drawn to the theme and ability that Zaxara lends itself to and chose to build around that. I do run recursion cards in here, Muldrotha would simply be an off theme, expensive good stuff target.

Long story short, yes, Sultai has a vast selection of very powerful cards and I could cram as many of them in here as possible, but I prefer a focused theme over a generic good stuff deck. Often to my own detriment, but theme & deck synergy is more important & fun to me (check out my profile text, heh).

Regardless, thank you for the comments, suggestions and discussion fuel. Stay gold pony bois!

So I saw that you mentioned throwing in some land tutors to help with the coffers combo, and I was wondering what you thought of Nylea's Intervention in this deck. 1. It's an X cost spell. 2. It can search for the full combo for the same mana cost as a tempt with discovery or Pir's Whim. 3. It has athe potential for flexing into a decent removal option for pesky flying decks the the creatures of this deck may struggle with blocking.

Also wondering with Doubling season ruling they mentioned saying that each token will get X +1/+1 counters, this means that if you cast a spell and X=5 you'd get two 5/5 hydras, right? Not two 10/10's?

Can't find a clear answer to that situation since doubling the counters for each hydra as well would make cards like Corpsejack Menace WAY better than I thought.

Nylea's Intervention is a great call. On top of being able to grab both of those lands, I like modal spells a lot - options! Oh and it's an spell. It's going in.

Regarding your Doubling Season inquiry, yes, the hydra counters double. Back to your = 5 example I would net 2 10/10 hydras if DS was on the table. Huge boon!

Have you considered using Corpsejack Menace? It combos amazingly with Doubling Season and it would work with The Ozolith.

Yeah I've definitely considered Corpsejack Menace, but the deck is starting to feel pretty honed and I'm not sure what I'd take out to slot it in. Seeing as cuts are getting tricky, if I were to add another doubling effect I'd go with Primal Vigor over Corpsejack.

A change ive done that has worked pretty well for me up to this point is Hydra Broodmaster. Besides tribal synergy with various effects in the deck, it works off of Unbound Flourishing and Doubling Season. With Akroma's Memorial on the board, this can dump a whole lot of damage onto the board very quickly! Possible cut cards for it, imo, include Genesis Hydra and Profane Command.

Totally hear what you're saying Xodious, the potential for mega value is there. I've gone back and forth on the inclusion of Hydra Broodmaster and ultimately decided that it's too expensive and too slow for that payoff. I like the cast hydras as they give immediate value with Zaxara on the table and Genesis Hydra is no exception as there's lots of goodies in this deck that I enjoy casting for free (hell, with the infinite mana engine I can just draw most/all of my deck on Genesis cast to grab Akroma's Memorial and swing in for the win). Profane Command is also an infinite combo direct damage win condition + I like the versatility of the modal spells.

Remember that Primal Vigor applies to the each player. If they also make Tokens and/or +1/1 counters..they get double as well. I won't be running it in my 99 because of this.

True brockcd, but when +1/+1 counters and tokens are a central theme of a deck it's worth the risk - I want to see how it plays in here. I run Primal Vigor in my Rhys tokens deck and the advantage in my favour far outweighs the bonus it may or may not grant my opponents.

Another reason Yarok doesn't work here, his ability doesn't actually double etb counters, unfortunately. Any other ability is golden though. As for the deck itself, looks great, other than infinite shenanigans. But that's just my opinion/playgroup. Although, i do love the idea of villainous wealthing someone's entire deck... I'm going to make something similar with a decent budget shortly, just as soon as I get the inspiration to build.

no interest in playing the ozolith? could be a pretty strong card in this deck I think.

Millenhero, it's in the deck under the 'Overwhelming Advantage' section.

-1 Elemental Bond, +1 Garruk's Uprising

Maybe slotting in Thespian's Stage to copy Cabal Coffers or other lands? I can see how it could be superfluous and kinda just win-more.. just a thought.

Thanks Sylvanrush, absolutely liking the look of Garruk's Uprising. Let's face it, all of of my creatures are coming in at 4+ power and the few non- creatures I'm running don't hit the 3+ power needed for Elemental Bond anyway. Cantrips, adds trample, it's going to be strictly better in here, great call.

I've debated Thespian's Stage &/or Vesuva for the CC copy, but like you say, I'm not sure if the need outweighs the win-more factor. Will probably stick with my current mix of utility + colour fixing.

Another pseudo-Doubling Season effect to consider may be Branching Evolution. It has a cheaper cmc than Doubling Season and Primal Vigor, so it may be considered, but then again it only doubles your +1/+1 counters instead of counters and tokens. I know your cuts are getting difficult, so it's understandable if this doesn't make it.

Based on your update with the ikoria release notes, you say that all of our hydras will enter the battlefield as a 0/0 and then counters will be applied, because of that order, doesn’t it mean that cards like Elemental Bond and Garruks Uprising won’t trigger off your hydras? I could have easily understood that wrong.

Xephon_, I like the look of Branching Evolution a lot. It's a decent fit in here, tempting!