asasinater13 says... #2
I'm in the group of people who doesn't want to be destroying lands, I do that very often with Terastodon , and that's all my playgroup needs to be seeing.
I don't know how I forgot about birds. I have a playset. That was very overlooked while I was building this. as for Llanowar Elves
, I decided against them for this, I usually have a tapped land turn one and it isn't really worth using my turn two play to not get any color fixing ramp. I've never been a big fan of Sakura-Tribe Elder
, I don't know why I'm against him. I would rather be using Sylvan Caryatid
or Simic Signet
, the thinning doesn't seem worth it to me for permanently dedicating to a color. i do like Yavimaya Elder
here, I'll try to grab a copy.
Hinder
and Spell Crumple
are both awesome, though they're both a bit more expensive than I would like. maybe I have some laying around, or maybe someone in my group has one up for trade. it'll be a bit of time before I get to ordering cards but those are both awesome.
so far I haven't had many problems with my early game where Ponder , Preordain , and Serum Visions would be relevant. where I do I would rather run something creature-based to fix it so I can have a chump blocker, like Augury Owl . if only I had the money for a Courser of Kruphix .... I'll see if I have any lying around and give them a try, really I just don't see what I would take out for those. it's pretty consistent as-is, and I'd rather not hurt that by getting lower numbers of the cards I love to see.
Mimic Vat
looks like a lot of fun. I basically had one going when I put a Fated Infatuation
under an Elite Arcanist
and I was loving it. though the arcanist had more power in copying whatever creature was best for my situation. I have one around I'll give a try if I see something to take out for it. maybe Kalonian Twingrove
, I'm never happy with how that plays. Increasing Savagery
just seems kind of win-more. when I get to where it's good, I'll either have a win set up or would rather have a bulky creature instead of bulking up a utility/early guy.
Thanks for the advice and suggestions.
August 18, 2014 12:24 a.m.
carpecanum says... #3
Phyrexian Ingester
and / or Quicksilver Gargantuan
are budget cards that also give your boss a lot of card draw.
Shroud : Whispersilk Cloak cheap and can be quipped to different cards as needed
August 25, 2014 2:41 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #4
thanks, those all look awesome. I especially like the ingester for acting as a removal spell as well.
August 25, 2014 10:14 a.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #5
Omniscience + Cloudstone Curio + Prime Speaker Zegana + another creature = draw your deck and then play it.
August 31, 2014 5:20 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #6
I like that a lot, but I don't think I want to go infinite in my playgroup. also Omniscience is a bit over my budget of a card
I'll see if I can find Cloudstone Curio , seems interesting to have in the deck, especially with Prophet of Kruphix in play, all my creatures save my other creatures from spot removal
August 31, 2014 5:23 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #7
Yeah Omniscience is pretty much a funsies card I think so I get what your view is. But Cloudstone Curio is a great card and is super fun for shenanigans if you can get it right. Good luck though!
August 31, 2014 5:27 p.m.
MetalDivinity says... #8
Kruphix, God of Horizons is cheap and doesn't ruin the fun for others. Prophet of Kruphix synergizes super well with Yisan, the Wanderer Bard in Commander. Oh, and cheap card draw might include things like Opportunity and Jace's Ingenuity
September 6, 2014 6:22 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #9
I would rather run more ways to repeat zegana than Opportunity and Jace's Ingenuity ,
Kruphix, God of Horizons
is an awesome suggestion and I actually have one shipping to me right now.
if I find a spot for it and can pick up a copy I'll definitely try out yisan, sounds awesome to have, epsecially with prophet, as you said (also I have Kiora's Follower for bonus activations. and Tidal Force )
September 6, 2014 8:55 p.m.
AlteredDNA89 says... #10
Deadeye Navigator is a must for your deck. it works so well with everything in primespeaker. I use it in my primespeaker deck as a win condition with Craterhoof Behemoth I often get Prophet of Kruphix Deadeye Navigator and Prime Speaker Zegana out. that is fun to fool around with and draw draw draw
September 7, 2014 1:22 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #11
another one I have on order, should be in this week then I'll figure out what I'm removing and get it into the list. Thanks for the tips. I would love to have craterhoof like how you use it, but it's a bit over my budget for a single card.
September 7, 2014 2:55 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #12
For board control:
Curse of the Swine - Exiles, is completely one-sided, and scales well into late game. Bonus, it's only like a dollar.
Cyclonic Rift - So good it's basically an auto-include in any EDH deck with blue in it. Also reasonably cheap.
September 15, 2014 2:10 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #13
Cyclonic Rift
I'm waiting a few more weeks until it's rotated from standard, as cheap as it is it'll get cheaper so it's worth waiting.
Curse of the Swine
I have one of, I'm just not too sure what to take out for it. it only hits creatures so I don't want to be taking out anything that's noncreature removal for it, my playgroup runs some pretty annoying artifacts/enchantments. Maybe Canopy Cover
? I never seem to need it for protection, and pseudo-flying is just not often relevant to me, I'd rather wait into a laboratory-maniac win, or get other big creatures to be using.
September 15, 2014 10:07 a.m.
orionwinterfire says... #14
Overwhelming Stampede , Doubling Season , Myojin of Life's Web , & Myojin of Seeing Winds would all be badass in here.
September 15, 2014 2:42 p.m.
orionwinterfire says... #15
Also Masumaro, First to Live is zegana's special friend.
September 15, 2014 2:58 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #16
If you're looking for cuts, here's what I'd consider:
Canopy Cover - As you say, the abilities are not often relevant. Hexproof is nice, but it's removable and not at instant speed so it can't be used as a trick to counter removal. Evasion is nice but none of your creatures or effects really "depend" on connecting with players like Cold-Eyed Selkie or Bident of Thassa .
Predator's Rapport - Highly conditional for it to do anything worth a slot. Even gaining 20 life in a one-shot isn't that impressive in EDH. I'd rather see Pongify or Rapid Hybridization in my hand, which could easily save you over 20 life while removing a threat.
Hornet Queen - At 7 mana your deck doesn't seem to have a lot of synergy with her. Hornet Queen does well with blinking tricks like Roon of the Hidden Realm and cards that love tokens like Proteus Staff . Your deck's engine is big critters to draw off of with Zegana, and Hornet Queen is a 2/2 that makes 1/1s. Woodfall Primus would give you another fatty and more removal options.
Hypnotic Siren - This is basically a 7 drop control magic, since a 1/1 flyer isn't really a thing in EDH. As you aren't running any means to re-cast creatures like Genesis I'd swap it out for either a cheaper critter steal like Abduction or Corrupted Conscience . If you're willing to drop some cash there's also Treachery , and if you're looking to beat people silly there's Yavimaya's Embrace .
Palladium Myr - Creature ramp is really fragile in EDH with all the Wraths effects at the table. Kodama's Reach is a functional reprint of Cultivate which is an auto include in green EDH.
September 15, 2014 3:14 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #17
I like Woodfall Primus
and Kodama's Reach
as inclusions, I have some reserves about the other stuff there.
on removing Predator's Rapport
, I know it is a sub-optimal card to have, but in my kitchen-table group I'm with most often, one person runs purphoros and one person runs attrition, the life is very relevant to me, and I occasionally get to reuse it with Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
and Elite Arcanist
. it's very much a meta call and that's good to take note of, I would replace it with something else were I to take it outside of our group or were those decks to stop being played as often, for the moment I'm going to leave it in.
Hornet Queen is something I could definitely replace. a little bit hesitant because I don't have much by way of fliers, and I love having the blockers, but I'll see if I can get a Woodfall Primus and test it out. I could definitely use more removal for noncreature spells. (though to note, I do replay things relatively often off of Boomerang (sometimes with Elite Arcanist ), Conjurer's Closet , and if I have a really good ETB, Progenitor Mimic )
I am very attached to hypnotic siren at the moment. Abduction I don't like giving things back to opponents if it dies, Corrupted Conscience
I don't really like the infect, I would rather have damage to use for my. I've also on occasion placed it on my own creature when Laboratory Maniac
is gone and I need a win, flying is relevant enough that it's useful.
Palladium Myr
is something I could see replacing. I agree it's often too fragile for me, the only thing I like for it more than Kodama's Reach
is that prophet lets me cast it with flash. probably not relevant enough to let me run a sub-optimal card, thanks for the look and thanks for the advice.
@orionwinterfire, Overwhelming Stampede
seems good, but I'm going to call it either overkill or leaving myself too open (without prophet of kruphix on the field) to someone who I didn't kill. Myojin of Seeing Winds
feels unnecessary. I've rarely had problems with running out of cards, and I don't feel that card necessary to me. Myojin of Life's Web
looks awesome. I'll see if I can find one, and if I can find something to take out for it. it's instant speed too, that is so awesome. I'll look for one. Doubling Season
is way over my budget, and I'm not quite sure it's that good here to begin with. it basically helps zegana and my three planeswalkers. nothing really necessary. Masumaro, First to Live
is a type of card I've been avoiding in this deck. While it /could/ be good, it's a possibly big, trampleless creature, that gets worse if I use the cards I have. It has no utility, no combat evasion, no spell evasion, no recursion, and no card advantage. those cards are flashee but not necessarily good. This deck, and most commander decks, rely on their creatures doing more than just being big. There's too much board wipe and removal going on to use something that's just Large.
Thanks for the comments and recommendations, and thanks for looking at the deck, it's appreciated.
September 15, 2014 4:25 p.m.
orionwinterfire says... #18
Nice thoughts. I guess I see your points on some of my recommendations. I like all those because I use them together in Creatures to the Horizon with masumaro being a setup for the stampede which is my main wincon. Attacking with a dozen 45/45 tramplers is fun. But you do things a bit differently . . .
Btw Doubling Season is in one of the 2013 commander precons. The mayael one I think. Also has a sol ring, avenger of zendikar, and other pricey cards iirc. Might be worth a look.
September 15, 2014 5:02 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #20
You're thinking Primal Vigor
in the jund C13 deck, made to stop the brokenness Doubling Season
has with planeswalkers. but with either of those I don't think the deck supports them enough to warrant them, looking at your deck I think I want to steal Psychosis Crawler
as an idea from it. I'll see what I can remove for it, it just seems good, and to someone unprepared it's unassuming a card, always a good thing.
on the note of removing Canopy Cover
I'll probably also be removing Shielding Plax
(though I've had a lot of fun with both of them, the plax doesn't give hexproof, it gives untargetable from /my/ opponents. fun to put on a voltron commander. because I still control the enchantment so they are my opponent and then can't target their own commander with their equipments or enchantments) I'll definitely add Curse of the Swine
because I have one. and maybe Nevinyrral's Disk
because, again, I have one. other than the disk I could try Asceticism
out. but I like the disk because it works really well with, say, Soul of New Phyrexia
for a repeatable one-sided board wipe.
I'll look at your deck more when I'm not just out the door to work, thanks for the help.
September 15, 2014 5:34 p.m.
orionwinterfire says... #21
Devastation Tide is sorcery speed but cheaper than Cyclonic Rift . Also works well with Myojin of Life's Web if you go that route. Which reminds me, Eternal Witness also comes in handy.
September 16, 2014 7:46 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #22
Eternal Witness
is something I've considered but never had need for. generally if I need something to get stuff out of my graveyard I Elixir of Immortality
then hope on drawing into it with zegana.
Devastation Tide
is not one sided so it isn't something I'm going to run. too much risk. I'm fine with Nevinyrral's Disk
because Soul of New Phyrexia
can save all my creatures and then I can have repeatable one-sided board wipe, which is awesome.
September 16, 2014 12:35 p.m.
Here are some wipes:
September 18, 2014 5:15 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #24
I'm trying to keep my wipes as one-sided as possible, so Devastation Tide
and Evacuation
don't seem like my cup of tea.
Cyclonic Rift
I will pick up at the first chance I get.
Inundate
has a decent chance of just leaving one opponent very well-off. I'm not sure about it. I'll consider it, but I might be fine without it. I have Nevinyrral's Disk
, Curse of the Swine
(potentially wipe), I'll get Cyclonic Rift
, Contagion Engine
hits one op, and I'll be trading for a Perilous Vault
soon I might include here. I think that with the amount of draw I get should work out, thanks.
September 22, 2014 3:39 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #25
Maybe add in Crop Rotation to find that Reliquary Tower ?
EazyG says... #1
When using green I almost always include Birds of Paradise , Llanowar Elves , and Elvish Mystic for their ramping potential. Likewise Sakura-Tribe Elder and Yavimaya Elder are inclusions as well to ensure ramp. Beast Within , Hinder , Spell Crumple , and Kodama's Reach are all staples within their relative colors. Early card advantage from blue could help you stabilize early; particularly Ponder , Preordain , and Serum Visions , if you can afford it. Mimic Vat and Increasing Savagery could be sweet in this deck. Lastly, I love Mwonvuli Acid-Moss and Plow Under but some people don't think they are "fun" cards. Hope this helped idea wise.
August 17, 2014 11:56 p.m.