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The Blind Eternities forum
Posted on Feb. 27, 2015, 12:54 p.m. by PreZchoICE1
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Epochalyptik says... #2
I'm just going to interject to point out the obvious difference between teaching something to a 1-year-old and teaching something to a 9-year-old.
April 13, 2015 10:33 a.m.
Another way of saying it... We all have a stinky shitty weak ID. Only some of us are so weak as to revel in it.
Seems like its more common these days.
April 13, 2015 10:35 a.m.
My response is still the same. I know my kids going to hear things from their peers with weak parents but I refuse to be the one that fuels it by teaching my kid all about it. I'd prefer she stay innocent as long as possible. Hell to 18 if need be.
April 13, 2015 10:37 a.m.
Nice try with that... xD
Trust me. Unless she's super obedient, weird, or ugly she'll lose her virginity by 16. I'd bet money.
April 13, 2015 10:44 a.m.
I'm just going to add my 2 cents. After a certain point, kids are going to experiment and try to figure out sex. It is of my opinion that they should be educated by their parents as to safe practices before they start to believe that risky behavior is safe. Hopefully I articulated my point well, but I doubt it.
April 13, 2015 10:45 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #8
Zoo with every bit due respect, you'll only have raised a very sexually confused child who willl undoubtably lose control during her young adult life and make very very wrong decisions regarding sexual relationships. I speak from observation as I've seen this so many times.
I'm not trying to tell you how to parent. By all means do what you will but at least consider it for her sake so that she might make better choices in life
April 13, 2015 10:46 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #9
But hey I'm just a dude who knows dudes who act like dudes
//Sips coffee
April 13, 2015 10:48 a.m.
@VampireArmy: Apples actually make you more awake in the mornings than coffee.
//Sips applejuice
April 13, 2015 10:52 a.m.
I could rant, but I'm just going to leave that alone and watch from the sidelines...
April 13, 2015 10:53 a.m.
The best way to NOT raise a little tramp is to properly educate your child. Not knowing there are consequences to those choices is what allows kids to go into those situations without abandon.
April 13, 2015 10:53 a.m.
Scorprix I assume it's healthier too. I know what I'm stocking up on.
April 13, 2015 10:54 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #16
Scorprix i am heavily addicted to sugar and caffeine. I'm either drinking this or Dr Pepper
April 13, 2015 10:55 a.m.
In the least creepy way possible can I ask, how old is your daughter anyways?
April 13, 2015 11 a.m.
ljs54321 -x-Juuzou-x-x- I agree. I wasn't saying I wont be informing her at all, but I'm sure as hell not going to foster her sexuality.
April 13, 2015 11 a.m.
Zoo - Wait you think parents have control over what their children experience? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHHA. Oh god, that's amazing.
Children pick up sex from the high street, from the store, from the TV, from their peers, from the radio, from the billboard across the street, from such a multiplex of sources it's unbelievable. It's not 'weak parenting' to explain to them what it's all about. It's about accepting that this is the era we live in and encouraging understanding, instead of trying to ignore it.
It's not weak or pathetic to be proud and open about your sexuality. It doesn't necessarily follow that you need to flaunt it in public. I dont speak like femme speaks for example. But I'm respectful of those that do because I understand that it's an important part of people. Your comment essentially just come off as intolerant and narrow minded. You haven't provided any reasoning for why it's bad except 'because I don't like it'.
I mean, if you're a fan of us all being repressed individuals that aren't willing to talk openly and honestly about our desires with those who want to hear them (that's an important qualifier) then really you're fighting against what it is to live a happy and fulfilled life. The happiest people are those that are well educated and communicate effectively about sex. In fact many studies show that communities that are more open about sex are much happier, much healthier, and suffer from fewer psychological illnesses. The BDSM community, for example has some of the highest rates of self esteem, highest rates of trust in their partners, and lowest rates of depression out of any group of people in the world.
Sex is an incredibly important part of people and we can't just pretend that our children won't hear about it. We have almost no control over this because we live in an interconnected age with all kinds of media offering sexual material. Your duty as a parent is to allow your child to express themselves in the way they feel msot comfortable. What they need from you is openness and honesty, not an unwillingness to discuss these issues. Or else they'll be the next schmuck I charge countless dollars to talk about how their parents failed.
April 13, 2015 11:01 a.m.
I mean, this is all depending on you being age appropriate. But somewhere around the age of 8-13 is normal for children to develop sexually. It's a wide range because everyone's different.
You have a duty to not foster (you're right) but to explain and educate. You should be encouraging your child to foster it their own way when the time is right. That doesn't mean you have to be directly involved but you should support their decisions.
April 13, 2015 11:03 a.m.
And also remember that men have been championed for centuries for sleeping around and developing sexually. It's about time we accepted that women do it too and stop labelling them as 'sluts'. Nope - it's normal. Stop demonising it.
April 13, 2015 11:05 a.m.
As far as I've been reading, I saw nothing that would suggest that you do foster it. When you said "I want it (sexuality) as far away from her brain as it can possibly be for as long as possible", it seemed to be understood (at least by me and possibly incorrectly) that you were including proper education on the subject since sexuality ultimately is a part of that discussion.
April 13, 2015 11:07 a.m.
Hey Chief, you could've just written that it's really fun. Not much else. That would have covered it.
April 13, 2015 11:13 a.m.
I really, really have a dislike of statements that follow the following sort of style: "it is selfish and immoral to talk about or act upon your desires".
It's not persuasive because it essentially just says "it is bad because I have decided that it is bad". It also just encourages people to not open up and express themselves which is hugely damaging. Hugely.
April 13, 2015 11:16 a.m.
Yap I am narrow minded and intolerant. I'm going to keep my kid out of city schools because I know what that does. The human race is becoming massively weak because of people like you chief that will let them be weak and support it. People need shame, because without it our ID would take over and we'd just be animals.
I did explain why cheif, because I think its weak. We all have IDs again- in the Freudian sense, only some of us are weak enough to revel in it. The people that are strong in ANY sense fight through discomfort to achieve it.
April 13, 2015 11:19 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #30
Chief knows these things
He's a professional. I'm not being sarcastic
We disagree a lot in terms of this subject but this is not one of those things
April 13, 2015 11:20 a.m.
I don't want to write a page long essay about how being promiscuous cheapens you,.. I think its generally understood. People that just follow their masturbatory IDs are weak.
April 13, 2015 11:25 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #32
Oh jeez
Under the table hit the deck people this will get ugly
April 13, 2015 11:26 a.m.
Promiscuity cheapens you? Do you have studies and evidence to support this claim? If not, then it is just an opinion. An opinion that not everyone agrees with. I definitely don't agree with it even though I am not promiscuous in any way. If I was, explain to me how it would affect your life in any way whatsoever. Umma do me
April 13, 2015 11:32 a.m.
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Zoo has said he's a troll. I really hope he's trolling right now, because people who honestly believe that something is wrong with women who themselves choose what to do with their body rather than let society decide are the problem. This is the hive mind mentality, the narrow-minded idiocy that claims people's self-esteem, happiness, and even lives. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you keep that shit to yourself if yours harms people that have done nothing to you or anyone else.
Strength doesn't lie in controlling yourself because society taught you how to think. Strength lies in choosing your own path no matter what imbeciles who think they get to decide your life say or do.
April 13, 2015 11:42 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #35
I just want to mention that my daughter, role-daughter, was raped, numerous times, by her boyfriend at 11 (boyfriend was 13 I think?). Her family refused to teach her anything, so she had to learn the hard way. When she told her family that she was most likely pregnant (miscarriage thankfully, apparently the result of being raped again), they refused to give a fuck and tossed her aside. What happened to the boyfriend? Dead. Died in a car crash. My daughter forever had rape fantasies and became a whore afterwards, and it is only recently dying down. Fast forward to her at 15 years old, and she's become a forced sex slave. Scared and terrified, I was only told about this through someone else. I tried making her call the police, but she never did. Instead the guy that told me became hated by my daughter. Additionally, when she went to take matters in to her own hands and tell the guy who was her master off. Well, apparently he didn't realize what he was doing wasn't consensual (he and his group was 15) and he "released all the girls". Fast forward to just last month. I was told "her greatest fantasy had been fulfilled" and that she was edging off of that along with pursuing only one man instead of multiples like she used to. Finally, just last week, her biological mother had found my daughter's old phone and went through it, learning of just how much of a whore my daughter was. Distraught, she told the entire family, and now my daughter is a disgrace in all of their eyes. The same people who refused to help her during pre-teen pregnancy now basically hates her for being a person that resulted from their negligence to teach or comfort her anything.
There's so much more she isn't telling me, all because she doesn't want me to worry. At the very least, I think I've gotten her safe from pregnancy and STD's as she is clean from both ever since I became her role-mother the day of her first boyfriend's car crash. And yes, I cannot deny that my sexual promiscuity influenced her, but you know what? She's the one who turned me into the sexually forward woman I am. She was already all that when I found her. Exploring incredibly dangerous realms because all she was trying to do was find someone to love her, and was confusing the differences between sex and love.
April 13, 2015 11:43 a.m.
Zoo - you might as well start sending me the money for therapy now.
You can right a page long essay about how sex cheapens you which is based on your opinion. I can then link you to scientific studies that show that those are open about these things have happier and more fulfilled lives than those that aren't. You are literally, measurably, scientifically wrong.
P.S - the id (it doesn't need capitalising) isn't real, no one takes Freud at all seriously.
April 13, 2015 11:46 a.m.
Also - at no point did I say to revel in your id. I urged you to understand it and entertain it when appropriate.
April 13, 2015 11:49 a.m.
I can at least understand where zoo is coming from, even if I don't exactly agree. I wouldn't want my daughter to be sexually active until she was 18 either. I wouldn't demonize her were she to have sex before then, but it is the way I would most likely want her to be. I think that's the way a lot of parents are. But hey, I'm a 19 year old virgin, so I sure as hell don't know what I'm talking about.
April 13, 2015 11:50 a.m.
Dekordius not trolling unfortunately. I know its a hot topic. But I can vouch for my wife and I- We both value the fact that what we have is still special. It irritates the piss out of me that its being sold so cheaply these days.
April 13, 2015 11:50 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #40
Oh, he was talking about the id from the id, ego and superego? That highschool psychology history lesson? Yeah, none of Freud's findings have held any scientific basis. The style of his therapy, Free Association is used, but many of his findings just don't hold any truth.
April 13, 2015 11:53 a.m.
So you think that because you're one way ALL people have to be the same way? I'm monogamous but a few of my friends are polygamous. Should they be ashamed because they're happier with more sexual partners?
You know what else is part of the id - eating and drinking. Is overeating shameful?
April 13, 2015 11:54 a.m.
Lol cheif- I'm sure your crazies are much happier knowing they should have no guilt about following their base desires. I never said happier I said stronger.
April 13, 2015 11:54 a.m.
This shit is getting darker than the second Dark Knight movie.
And ChiefBell, If you were talking to me with that (which I'm not totally sure if you were), I just want to say that what I meant by that is that the reason for most sexual activity is because of sheer pleasure. That is not something to be debated. The reasoning can definitely be flawed, but the fact that most sex is for fun is not debatable.
Also, what's a 'role-daughter'?
April 13, 2015 11:54 a.m.
Zoo: If you honestly feel like something someone else does cheapens YOUR relationship, the problem lies with your own insecurities about you and your relationship, not with the someone else.
April 13, 2015 11:55 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #45
He is a parent who wants the best for his child. Sex can lead to hardships (STI's, pregnancy), and as a parent you do not want your child to go through these. He is not out of place with his opinions. They just differ from everyone else's.
April 13, 2015 11:55 a.m.
Strong and miserable. MMkay. If that's what you want your child to grow up to be.
I mean, it actually takes more strength to openly communicate your sexual desires to your partner than to not do it. Repressing is always easier but more miserable than being open.
April 13, 2015 11:57 a.m.
slovakattack says... #47
Zoo: I think that's awesome, man, and I agree with your above sentiment in it's own context. It's a hot-button issue. I'd honestly stay away from arguing it.
April 13, 2015 11:57 a.m.
And guys, don't fight. It irritates me immensely when people fight over things that don't even HAVE a right answer.
April 13, 2015 11:57 a.m.
slovakattack says... #49
Er, wait. I meant number 42. Post number 42. Jesus.
April 13, 2015 11:58 a.m.
Didgeridooda - There's no correlation between being more sexually active and having riskier sex.
DNB says... #1
I've got a 1 year old and the thought of bringing sexuality to her attention pisses me off. I want it as far away from her brain as it can possibly be for as long as possible.
We're entering into a weak and classless age I think. Everything goes in cycles certainly- this isn't the first time the U.S. culture has cheapened but weak selfish morality seems to be hitting a peak.
For the record I'm not religious and not republican.
April 13, 2015 10:24 a.m.