Just MORE Chatting
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Posted on Feb. 27, 2015, 12:54 p.m. by PreZchoICE1
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CanadianShinobi says... #4
I don't think I will ever understand the concept or the reasons behind this waifu thing.
March 13, 2015 12:03 p.m.
Just an FYI I've been posting here for 3 days and my rank went up 30 people. Although I have commented on more decks, but still. I think BE effects rank.
March 13, 2015 12:05 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #7
CanadianShinobi Jeskai tempo is one of my favorite decks in modern, it is really fun whilst still being competitive.
March 13, 2015 12:30 p.m.
I'm just trolling JexInfinite - its his waifu. i dont even think he's noticed lol.
March 13, 2015 12:46 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #12
bucks to the first person who can superimpose Maro's face on the hysterical mexican
March 13, 2015 3:59 p.m.
I know it's all a joke but.... They DID ban pod when it had a lesser stake in the meta than abzan does. I suppose you could argue that there's two types of abzan, but there were 3 types of pod so....
March 13, 2015 4:25 p.m.
slovakattack says... #17
ChiefBell: Problem is, Abzan is much better than the sum of it's parts. Banning any individual part of Abzan would be seen as a joke.
March 13, 2015 4:26 p.m.
Goyf is a fairly stifling card. It would take away abzans efficiency. Now I'm not saying goyf is utterly broken but it certainly is the best thing in the 2cmc slot. By slowing abzan down and removing a creature that you sort of HAVE to play in t1 decks the meta would diversify. Having said that it could make control really really strong. One and two mana removal spells need to be balanced by one and two mana creatures, after all.
It's a toughie. I play goyf. I love goyf. I don't think goyf is broken. But I do think it's probably a bit too pervasive.
I think goyf is best described as..... Problematic
March 13, 2015 4:30 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
I would temp ban goyf for a few months (like 6 or so) and unban blood braid elf. Just to see whether or not it changed the game too dramatically
March 13, 2015 4:34 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #21
Two editions of Modern Master featuring Goyf only to for this card to be banned? WotC ain't a bunch of mad cows, ya' know...
March 13, 2015 4:38 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #22
Still legacy legal so it's not a total loss. On the other hand it's their own fault for being greedy
March 13, 2015 4:40 p.m.
i don't think what's orinted in modern masters has any impact on what's banned in a year's time etc.
March 13, 2015 4:41 p.m.
I'd like to see goyf banned just cuz if it doesn't get banned I'll be forced to buy em lol
March 13, 2015 4:42 p.m.
Personally dont think the abzan menace can be stopped. :P Stabs hand drawn picture of Siege Rhino 300 million times...
March 13, 2015 4:44 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #26
Goyf will never get banned. The new R&D team will let Modern burn to the ground before they ever thought of banning their pet creature that Modern was formed after. Wont happen. Ever. Goyf could win 400 tournaments back to back and because R&D designed Goyf in Future Sight with Modern as a format already well in conception it will never ever see even a discussion of it being banned.
When people suggest banning goyf, you can take that video and where it says UNBAN JACE? You can just insert BAN GOYF
and its basically the same video.
March 13, 2015 4:48 p.m.
Zoo jokes but that is part of the problem. If they banned goyf I'd lose well over $1000 but honestly I don't care much. It's a really boring card. If you play green, then you play goyf. It's that simple. Modern would be a much more interesting format if they got rid of him. I mean, we could see like Fleecemane Lion become the next big thing or something. Goyf is just bleugh. Its far too necessary, just because it does a little too much.
March 13, 2015 4:48 p.m.
R&D have acknowledged that goyf was a mistake. We've already won half the battle.
March 13, 2015 4:50 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #30
elpokitolama except they are. They hyped the Modern train to full steam and then went ahead and demolished a central archetype of the format. I know a fair number of people who quit because of the Pod Banning. I don't blame those people either, one of them had just completed their Pod deck and was hyped up to try going for competitive levels of play.
My thoughts on Goyf are mixed. On one hand I do believe it is a little too pervasive. On the other hand banning it would incite even more hate than the Pod banning, which could destabilize the game. It is a difficult call to make, especially since the meta is so dominated by Abzan decks.
March 13, 2015 4:53 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #31
I held off a goyf for at least 20 turns last night with spirit tokens then won... It was glorious
March 13, 2015 4:53 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #34
You're right, they know it was a mistake, and the main reason for it is because in their minds Modern is synonymous with Goyf. Goyf should have been banned ages and ages ago. The errata for banning a card immediately should be when a blue deck starts splashing green just for that card, or when I green deck starts splashing blue just for a card (Treasure Cruise anybody) when a card is so clearly powerful that people jam it into decks that dont play in its color except for that one card that should be grounds for a banning.
All this said I hate talking about BANS because its the old tried tested and untrue format that wizards has always used to try and regulate their formats, but instead end up on the backside of monumental fuck ups.
They need to start UNBANNING cards in order to give people tools to fight back against the 200 dollar cards or the 'one deck to rule them all'
There is two ways to achieve balance imo. Unban stuff, or print stuff that allows the format to become more balanced. They printed Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time and those cards were doing a lot of work to unseat Pod as the top deck in the format.
So the players cry 'why wizards, why would you print such an oppresive card as Pod? Why o why? please, have pity on the poor lowly player and ban pod, if there is anyone with a heart or mercy left at your company, please ban pod. We cant beat it. We never make misplays, the card just outright beats us 100% of the time, when the opponent casts it they might as well just put a hard lock on the board'
So wizards goes OK we've heard enough of this babying and crying about Pod, we're gunna ban it. But guess what you lazy fucks, we're also going to ban Cruise and Dig, since you fucks were too lazy to figure out that we printed them for you to beat pod with specifically, we arent going to let you dominate the format with them once we remove Pod.
Good on wizards for that, but they should have also banned Splinter Twin at the same time if their intention was to achieve some semblance of balance.
March 13, 2015 5:06 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #35
Either that or unban more than the clear 'piece of shit with nothing to help it' aka Golgari Grave Troll
March 13, 2015 5:11 p.m.
What and any other decent deck along with twin? There's nothing particularly busted about most of the tier 1 decks. They're all fairly balanced. It's pretty much just goyf I have a problem with, and it's not even from a balance perspective necessarily, it's just that he's stifling.
You can't just ban tier 1 modern though. What's so oppressive about twin? It forces the opponent to run removal? Or tron? Because it forces you to have land destruction or a decent clock?
I can't really think of a single card on the ban list that would unseat goyf. A 2 mana 4/5 is always going to be a 2 mana 4/5. If jace tms was unbanned goyf would still be goyf.
March 13, 2015 5:12 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #37
PreZchoICE1 Except that's not how it works at all and you've drastically overestimated Wizards competency. They do not test for Modern. And they really should since they promote it so much and have been doing so since its inception. I would argue that Pod should have been banned a year ago (based on their on logic) and that they should have kept TC and Dig around long enough to gather sufficient data. They did neither of those things and I chalk that up to them being incompetent with Modern as a format.
However, I agree. Modern needs to have cards unbanned because some time you need to fight power with power. One of the issues that comes with Modern though is that Modern relies on Standard for tools to unseat the top tier decks. Khans gave us some new tools, but then those tools were taken away. And Wizards seems to loathe the idea of printing relevant Modern cards (again this comes down to lack of testing). It is an overall frustrating situation for any player who does not play certain colours. Control really has little place in Modern and hasn't for some time. This above all else angers me.
March 13, 2015 5:14 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #38
o ho ho, they want us to UNBAN cards?
Hey Maro, watch this. We'll unban this useless twat of a card Golgari Grave Troll and then lulz when they bitch that it was a useless unbanning. Ungrateful players, they ask, we give them what they ask for (an unbanning) and they still complain.
gtfo. I quit the game once before over this exact type of stuff happening back when the formats used to be called type 1, type 1.5 and type 2. That was nearly 15 years ago, and WOW nothing's changed.
March 13, 2015 5:15 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #40
This is relevant. And I'm sure we've all seen it by now, but I agree with a number of points that are brought up in the video.
March 13, 2015 5:17 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #41
To be honest Siege Rhino is more problematic than goyf. The reason is trample. You could argue that the 2 mana makes the difference and you wouldn't be totally wrong either but it etb, swings the life by 6 points then proceeds to do everything goyf does...but better. As i said before trample really makes the difference. Any deck can chump goyfs all day until the find a solution but with rhino you get no chance for that. It's going to kill you and you either have removal or die
March 13, 2015 5:19 p.m.
You think that deathrite shaman will make goyf less pervasive?
What? Why? Based on what logic?
Given that they were both played together in one of the most meta warping deck in modern you're going to have really explain well why you think drs will make goyf worse.
March 13, 2015 5:20 p.m.
Siege rhino isn't a problem. It comes down late. It costs a fair amount of mana, it's only playable in one deck, and it is easily removable (for like half its mana cost resulting in large tempo advantage if you do). there are plenty of creatures that cost the same amount of mana that can threaten it too, so it's not even like 'the best 4 cmc creature'. Like it might be in THIS meta but many others like thrun, spellbreaker behemoth, stormbreath etc are very viable.
March 13, 2015 5:25 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #44
they dont need to 'test' for modern, they just need to leave it the fuck alone. Let it run its own course for a few years before starting to pick the format apart. You're right- they dont test it, but that should be irrelevant. They dont need to test it. In fact, wizards doesnt need to do anything except keep printing cards.
The players, need to know their own roles and just play. If you dont like the format then quit playing it, someone will quickly fill your empty seat, I guarantee it. The players need to stop writing page long diatribes about 'such and such a card needs to be banned because I cant beat it/it makes me tilt'
O woe is me, I cant beat X so I'll just bitch and moan and hope others join me in my unfounded bitching and moaning until we squeaky wheels finally get some grease and are given a reason by wizards to keep enjoying this game we freely choose to play.
This way of thinking was really brought to the forefront during GP Miami when during the final match people in the chat of the live feed were calling for wizards to ban Mastery of the Unseen. This should be a knell to all players that 'the players' in general know very little about making the game better or healthier beyond their own shortsighted and narrow vision of what they believe they should get or feel from playing a game of Magic.
March 13, 2015 5:27 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #45
Hm. I dunno. Maybe it's just me then. For what it's worth I've switched to storm breaths.
March 13, 2015 5:29 p.m.
Yeh but can you actually saying something constructive and well reasoned instead of just typing long monologues that don't tell us anything?
March 13, 2015 5:33 p.m.
slovakattack says... #47
You know what?
I think that Myth Realized might actually do a lot to combat Goyf, and widen the meta.
Call me crazy, but it fits in the kinds of decks that Goyf does not, and provides a comparable alternative. That is a card that, in the right deck, is a legitimate alternative to Tarmogoyf. None of this "We could just run Scooze as a substitute" bullshit.
March 13, 2015 5:34 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #48
Im not sying that by unbanning DRS it immediately makes Goyf a shit card.
However having a one mana answer that can mitigate Goyf and prevent it from becoming as you say, problematic, is more of a step to having balance than banning DRS.
Not only that, DRS basically keeps many of the grave based strategies in check. There should have been dialogue about- ok we have DRS, lets leave it alone, and unban Dread Return instead of banning DRS.
Its ok to print powerful cards so long as they exist in a format with other powerful cards that help to offset their power levels respectively.
To ban powerful cards while not banning other powerful cards basically lets the unbanned powerful cards run roughshod over everything else, because it's uncontested.
March 13, 2015 5:35 p.m.
Because one minute you're arguing for u bannings and brining new stuff in and the next you say they SHOULDNT test new cards in the format.
I'm at least confused by what you mean.
March 13, 2015 5:35 p.m.
slovakattack says... #50
Seriously, I don't get on a hype train often, but I think people are gonna look back and say that Myth Realized was the best thing to happen to Modern in a long, long time.
CanadianShinobi says... #1
:\ the point was to have fun with it Zoo you unloving heathen.
March 13, 2015 11:01 a.m.