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Posted on Feb. 27, 2015, 12:54 p.m. by PreZchoICE1
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Didgeridooda says... #2
New mini Zurgo has his place.
I am thinking a mardu deck with him, and some other stuff with red god, and black white god or something.
March 22, 2015 9:01 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #4
Why run Shit-go when you can just run Monastery Swiftspear in standard instead? You draw him and you are all, shit-go.
March 22, 2015 9:03 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #5
So, serious question time: What are your personal thoughts on the state of Modern currently?
I think I'm in the minority that thinks Modern isn't in the greatest shape. It's rather stale. I really want something to shake the format up, violently so.
March 22, 2015 9:04 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #6
I don't do standard. So I don't really know.
Mainly his place is just as a one off in a Purphoros EDH deck.
Dash also does not have to be done from your hand, so he could be cast from command zone for 2 each time. Seems ok to me. You could use equipments, or enter effects. I think he could be pretty decent.
March 22, 2015 9:05 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #7
Scratch that. It is still being cast, so still subject to the commander tax.
March 22, 2015 9:06 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #8
I'm actually unsure where Mardu will be when Goblin Rabblemaster leaves standard
I'm pretty sure people will just stop playing it honestly.
March 22, 2015 9:06 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #9
Yeah, mardu in modern won't be mardu without the rabbly rabble himself and Raise the Alarm fueling Butcher of the Horde. I mean, we do have Dragon Fodder, but it just isn't enough.
March 22, 2015 9:08 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #10
Well I think modern is stable, but boringly so. It's just Tron and abzan and burn and splinter twin. I kinda want a random rogue deck to come fuck everybody up just to make things interesting
March 22, 2015 9:08 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #11
To be fair tibs, bloom titan was that rogue deck that fucked peoples shit up
Also Mardu Modern is a very strange beast.
There is zero correct way to build it. At least not in the sense of one list being the "best" some lists are better than others but as of now there are no "perfect" lists like there are for most other decks
March 22, 2015 9:11 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #12
Well now we need a different rogue deck to fuck shit up
March 22, 2015 9:13 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #13
Maybe Esper Mentor will suge forth and have a glorious place in the sun?
March 22, 2015 9:14 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #14
I'm on the ropes with Modern. There's still room for innovation in the format, I'm just not sure that I want to play in the format in its current position. My major beef with the bannings was not that they were bad, but that I would've rather seen WotC combat power with power. Not only that, but they literally just said two PTs ago that they want to highlight new cards since Pro in Pro Tour stands for Promotional.... then go and ban two cards that caused a lot of excitement and shook up the meta on their own. I mean, I know that means that WotC would basically treat Modern like Legacy, but, at least in my opinion, Legacy is the best format of the game.
I am, however, not entirely positive that the Treasure Cruise banning in Legacy was warranted. I feel like the meta was actually adapting to it really rather well. That's the beautiful thing about Legacy, it's power level allows for players to adjust to powerful new cards with a fair amount of ease.
March 22, 2015 9:14 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #15
I have a question that I hope a few of you answer.
I have seen modern called stale, and boring since the recent bannings. Why is that?
Is it because pod was pretty much the super villain of modern? It seems that having such a strong presence in modern may have been a good thing. I think I have seen a growing disinterest since the ban.
Or was it the banning of Dig, and Cruise? Those cards are both very good, and seemed to be opening the doors for some more control ideas.
March 22, 2015 9:18 p.m.
Only complaint that I have about modern is that I don't have the money to buy the cards. :( Also is MM2 going to be limited print run cause if not that may actually help me with my problem.
March 22, 2015 9:19 p.m.
Epochalyptik(#14 p201) - Please lord have mercy upon me...
But seriously, why don't make a chat room somewhere on the page? Well I understand that TA is intended (mostly) to be a deckbuilding site, anyways the site has a community and I see no bad in adding that functionality.
March 22, 2015 9:20 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
Lack of control decks does tend to make things stale.
It's all a game of race in almost every deck.
March 22, 2015 9:20 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #20
Well dig and cruise made it more interesting. Combo decks made something of a comeback, and it just seemed to make things more interesting, and then wizards up and banned them after they'd only been out for three months.
March 22, 2015 9:20 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #21
Wizards just wants green beat face decks to become prevalent. The meta is stale because the top decks don't require that much thought as compared to the decks that came before it, and they aren't original. Abzan is basically just a goodstuffs deck. That's all it is. Before the bannings we had new and innovative decks/decks that were considered T2/T3 popping up left right and center. Soul Sisters became a potential contender because of Delve for crying out loud. Magic was, magic. Interaction. Creativity. About spells and synergy rather than just trying to control to a overplayed combo archetype or play a bunch of the best cards in one deck.
March 22, 2015 9:28 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #22
shit guys
I have a ton of random standard singles i need to offload by friday haha
Wish me luck to selling them all to the nearest LGS
March 22, 2015 9:28 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #23
Didgeridooda Well... you've sorta hit the mark, but not entirely.
Banning Pod, really hurt player confidence. It might not seem like it at the outset, because well, Modern exists still, right? But Pod was fun to play with and against. Pod was a deck that was always interesting because it didn't always play the same way. It was largely unique because it was a toolbox deck. It picked out pieces as it needed them. I always loved playing against it. While I can see why they banned it, they also banned it too late in many ways. Too many people became invested in the deck, and that deck was a sizable investment. This is why I've slowly begun to disregard economic arguments for not banning something like Goyf. If you can kill an entire archetype which costs hundreds of dollars then you can kill off a creature that costs hundred of dollars.
As for Cruise and Dig. That also killed player interest. It personally is one of the reasons I've become increasingly bitter these past months. Dig and Cruise were new an exciting. People were having fun with them and shoving them into strange places was also part of the fun. And Wizards (as well as others) never picked up on that. People were enjoying themselves, and that's what Magic is about. Enjoying the game. And now we'll never know if they warranted banning because they were never given adequate time to be played. Three months is nothing.
The meta is stale because we've seen this before in a lot of ways. This is largely the meta that was around prior to the introduction of Cruise and Dig. This is why its stale, because we've gone backwards. There are some changes, but these changes are not significant enough. These changes are minute and uninteresting.
And fluffybunnypants I agree, I would rather see more power in the format, if only to shake things up. I can't really comment on Legacy though.
March 22, 2015 9:30 p.m.
Didnt have a problem with pod and cruise really, I was trying to build my deck to race them...
Then my Spike egg shell cracked a little.. and I had to give up the budget shit at least for my main deck.
Kinda wouldn't mind if Jeskai ascendancy storm was more popular... Nothing since January in mtgtop 8... Must be Eidolon of the Great Revel..
March 22, 2015 9:34 p.m.
You wanna see an interesting format, one week before a tournament starts wizards should announce that for that tournament only all cards will be unbanned except for jace because he is bat-shit crazy. I'm not saying it will be fun to play but super interesting to watch and maybe we could learn something from it.
March 22, 2015 9:37 p.m.
Just came back from a prerelease (didn't make it friday or saturday), and i've gotta say, I think the rarity on some of these cards is off. Also, i'm loving not having three color decks. It's fantastic.
Ojutai's Summons Should have been uncommon. It's a bomb in and of itself, especially if you can get cards back from your graveyard.
Illusory Gains is pretty dang bad. I guess it's a rare because they don't want a bunch floating around but the card design on this is terrible.
Aerie Bowmasters Are also insane for a common. Should have been uncommon.
Belltoll Dragon Not saying this things rarity is wrong, but if you guys see this in a pack, it's first pickable.
Den Protector This thing is so much better than I gave it credit for. Flipping this up, getting back Deathmist Raptor, and getting back an Ojutai's Summons with the effect was brilliant.
Epic Confrontation is definitely pushed for a common. It's very good.
Salt Road Quartermasters The rarity on this thing isn't wrong, but it's definitely like a third pick. It's really, really good.
March 22, 2015 9:40 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #27
I am watching a re-air of Barcelona v Man City. This is one of the most exciting matches I have ever seen.
March 22, 2015 9:51 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #28
Actually, kyuuri117, I think the quality of decisions and product making at WotC.co is becoming a lot worse lately. The flavour text and rules text have been really badly worded for this set, it just all in all feels like a very unpolished set, and I'd hate to see if this is the same kind of quality we will see in future sets.
March 22, 2015 9:55 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #29
CanadianShinobi that is sort of what I was wondering. I don't modern, but follow a little due to this site.
It seems like that was the biggest shake up to the format since it's inception. I am curious if the format is starting to have run it's course. Legacy/Vintage is around for a format that plays tons of cards, and the price of staples in modern is starting to rival that of those on the reserve list in Legacy. So why not just play Legacy at that point where you have some more protection for the investment.
sirbar that would be very interesting. I would enjoy seeing that.
March 22, 2015 9:56 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #30
Didgeridooda for me it's a personal investment. Legacy has more power, but it also seems absurd in many ways. I would also have to learn another format, which takes time and effort, something I simply don't have right now. Modern, I had hopes for. I honestly thought that nothing was getting banned prior to the last ban list update. I was pumped up for brewing and deck building. Now I've lost a lot of that energy I had.
Esper Mentor has become my obsession lately if only because it plays new cards. I'm dedicated to making it work, but at the same time I know that if I had Cruise or Dig it would work even better. I went over to Commander for a while to have some fun, but I quickly realized that I wasn't having fun because I couldn't win. At all.
I'm in a strange place. I want to play Magic because ever since I began to play 2 years ago it's been a blast. I went to Modern because I want to play a Samurai deck and then I wanted to play stuff that could win. I enjoy winning, it isn't the end all be all, because I also enjoy brewing and building. But lately I'm staring at the format wanting something to change, wanting something fresh and exciting. Fate Reforged gave us new tools, but it didn't give us the right tools.
But these are my personal grievances. I've been humming and hawing over posting something in the Modern forum for weeks now, but it just sounds like bitching. And it is, to some extent, but there's a little more to it than that. As I mentioned in my last post, player confidence has been shaken. Mine sure has. Maybe I should try Legacy. Playing online makes things cheaper at least.
March 22, 2015 10:06 p.m.
I would agree that the meta is going down a bad road.. and I def hate Dragons of tarkir... High cost unplayable spells.. No thanks..
Only reason I got into modern was to set a limit of what cards I had to learn or else keep building janky really bad combo decks for the same price as an average modern deck.. (see Hexncounters)
March 22, 2015 10:11 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #34
i've been trying to make a set centered around luck...not going well
March 22, 2015 10:26 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #35
Why not one based around riggers making contraptions?
March 22, 2015 10:29 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #36
channel fireball thinking zurgo bellboy is better than swiftspear
really guys? really?
March 22, 2015 10:35 p.m.
2 mana creature etb for what purpose that is okay with wasting 2 mana every turn?
The feck CFB.. I gotta google this..
March 22, 2015 10:36 p.m.
VampireArmy If they were talking about standard, it's entirely possible that's correct. It's got an additional power with no other cards invested, and it can dodge sweepers.
March 22, 2015 10:38 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #40
they also picked Dromoka's Command over Atarka's Command i don't get it man...even in the context of standard
March 22, 2015 10:40 p.m.
I mean if he were human.. at least he would be relevant to Norin Sisters...
March 22, 2015 10:40 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #43
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March 22, 2015 10:45 p.m.
Again, as far as standard goes, Dromoka's Command is more relevant than Atarka's Command. Not saying that Atarka's command isn't relevant, it's good. But it's ramp, player burn, and temporary pump. Nothing that wins the game. Ramp is irrelevant if you don't have something to ramp into, burn is irrelevant if your opponent isn't at 3, the prevent life gain is going to be rare, and the team pump, while not bad, won't end a game you weren't already winning.
Dromoka's Command counters red removal, is main deck enchantment removal (which is highly relevant), permanent pump for a creature, and creature removal. Dromoka's Command is just more versatile.
March 22, 2015 10:51 p.m.
inb4: Cool cards!
Also, I really do not understand DTK. Basically, Anafenza died, Narset un-died, Sidisi died but is now undead, Zurgo is a little bitch, and Surrak is a bit smaller but still punches stuff epically. (see Epic Confrontation). Ankle Shanker is now Vial Smasher, Gvar Barzeel went from Abzan to Kolaghan, and Tasigur is a friggin necklace. Also, Tormenting Voice, Summit Prowler, and Naturalize are reprints from KTK. And Dragons are high society and poop. So I don't get most of it.
March 22, 2015 10:57 p.m.
So Im gonna start brewing with a banned card for this reason ---> 'I'unno Im bored..'
What are the best cards to cascade into? See if I can stay away from 
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March 22, 2015 10:59 p.m.
Cascading into a Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek is nice. And shit you just said "Stay away from black". OK, let's think. Bolts are nice to cascade into. Since you're using Bloodbraid Elf (I think), why not Atarka's Command?
March 22, 2015 11:01 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #49
Oh I'll give you that...but there's simply no way zurgo is better than swiftspear. Not even in standard considering the anount of noncreatures you play alongside it anyways. Prowess is one of the best keywords out there we've seen in a long time
VampireArmy says... #1
I'll have my revenge WOTC.
You destroyed errythang
revenge will be mine
March 22, 2015 8:59 p.m.