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Posted on Feb. 27, 2015, 12:54 p.m. by PreZchoICE1

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ThisIsBullshit says... #1

Sap is so watered down tho you have to evaporate all the water out of it in order to get the final product.

March 26, 2015 1:58 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #2

So I just played a skred red deck on untap. It was my midrange zoo versus his skred. The guy I played made some super weird decisions. In game 1 he played blood moon sometime around turn 4 or 5 - despite the fact that my manabase was virtually all basics at the time. It was just a complete waste of mana. Game 2 he ragequit when I equipped Sword of Light and Shadow to a scooze (pro white - GG Boros Reckoner) and started to beat him for 4 and gain 3 life every single turn.

March 26, 2015 2:03 p.m.

VampireArmy says... #3

To be fair I know of no Naya decks that run swords so there was really no way of seeing that coming.

March 26, 2015 2:05 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #4

Sword of Light and Shadow is key to my Abzan matchup. It makes such a massive difference.

March 26, 2015 2:08 p.m.

I played a reanimation deck against some hatebears, and the guys got soooooooooo pissed after I pulled off a T1 Grizz. He started cursing and all and then just quit.

I like it when people rage-quit. So satisfying.

March 26, 2015 2:08 p.m.

VampireArmy says... #6

Oh I don't doubt that it's useful. You just played better than him and had the edge of the surprise silver bullet.

March 26, 2015 2:11 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #7

Oh also. Seriously - run lots of fetchlands with lots of basics and not so many shocks. Makes SUCH a difference to lifeloss and versus blood moon.

March 26, 2015 2:19 p.m.

VampireArmy says... #8

;) i've been doing this for quite a while haha

I keep at least enough to cast every spell because I prefer to fetch basics when most of my deck is a sorcery

March 26, 2015 2:24 p.m.

6tennis says... #9

Yeah, Blue Moon strategies and just Blood Moon in general are getting really popular. Which sucks, because my Hatebears deck doesn't run any. Woo!

March 26, 2015 2:25 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #10

I had my supervision today, which is where a therapist talks to their boss about how they're finding therapy and whether anything is bothering them. Often therapists themselves receive therapy due to the traumatic nature of the job. Anyway, mine was fine on the whole but my supervisor gave me tons of stuff to read about therapy in general and group processing and psychotherapeutic tools and stuff and I just feel like I'm back in school. I love my job but I really don't want to leave at 5pm and then start studying.

March 26, 2015 2:57 p.m.

sirbar says... #11

Speaking of school chief how much of it did you need for your job. I am looking into possible careers and really enjoy psyc but the councillors at school are useless.

March 26, 2015 4:23 p.m.

found out today that my school requires you to take the ACT to graduate....what the fuck is this bullshit?

March 26, 2015 4:31 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #13

sirbar - 3 years of university after finishing school to become a trainee. To become as highly qualified as I want to be I need another 3 years on a doctorate course then I'll be a DClinPsych - Doctor of Clinical Psychology.

March 26, 2015 4:32 p.m.

sirbar says... #14

Mine discourages taking it. Weird right? They only want you to take the SAT.

March 26, 2015 4:33 p.m.

sirbar says... #15

Thanks chief, that's not that bad actually.

March 26, 2015 4:34 p.m.

New article is up.

March 26, 2015 4:35 p.m.

Yeah and most colleges prefer SAT scores so idk why they're all into us taking the ACT

March 26, 2015 4:36 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #18

sirbar it depends on what you want to do. Becoming a psychologist requires less schooling than becoming psychiatrist.

If you want to do something like career counseling, be a psychiatric technician, or a rehab specialist, your BA/BS is fine.

If you want to be a professional psychologist, you need your masters.

If you want to teach at a college/university, you need to go further and get your Ph.D or your Psy. D. If you know for certain you want to work as a professor, your Psy D is fine. If you want to work as a psychiatrist (allowed to write medical prescriptions, and usually that's all they do. They tend to refer patients to regular psychologists for therapy rather than do it themselves), then you need your Ph. D.

There is no real set level you need to hit if you are interested in actual research, but the higher your degree the more serious other people will take you. Also, a lot of the money you make as a professor/researcher comes from writing books. The higher your degree, the more you can get away with charging for your books.

Not sure how this works in England, where ChiefBell is, but that's how it works in the states.

March 26, 2015 4:38 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #19

In the UK you generally need a Doctorate or PHD to be a professional psychologist in the clinical field.

Also all of our therapists have further qualifications on top of their BA / BSc

March 26, 2015 4:40 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #20

ThisIsBullshit The ACT and SAT are set up differently. I took em both, and was much happier with my ACT scores. ACT is more of a general knowledge test, a "what did you end up learning in high school", where as the SAT is more of a "how good of a test taker are you, how many of these bullshit trick questions can you answer".

I scored decently well on the SAT, nothing to write home about but I didn't bomb em, but I scored in the low 90th percentile in English/reading comp on the ACT (not so hot on Science and Math). I don't remember if i sent both sets of scores to the colleges I applied to, or if I just sent the ACT scores. Hell, don't even remember if you are allowed to send both. But I do know that I took the SAT like three times (as well as numerous practice tests), and the ACT ones and I definitely thought the ACT was a better test. I won't say it's easier, but it's definitely more fair.

And if you're worried that the colleges/universities you are applying to wont take the ACT seriously, don't. They take em just as seriously as the SAT's. Some like em better. But you can always take the SAT separately if you want to.

March 26, 2015 4:45 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #21

ChiefBell yea it's the same in the states. If you wanna be a therapist, you need like 3 years of extra schooling to get your masters degree.

March 26, 2015 4:46 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #22

Psychologist as a professional title is a really coveted, protected term in the UK so you need to be accredited by multiple organisations and USUALLY have above BA / BSc level qualifications. I'm currently an assistant. The money is bad, the hours are bad, and the stress is bad - but it all becomes worth it when you move up the ladder.

In contrast to this the term therapist or counsellor is less protected so essentially anyone can claim that they're one. You'll most often find that these guys will have just a BA / BSc and may have taken like an 8 week course in therapy, and that's it.

Psychiatrists are doctors that focus on brain diseases. They're sort of like Psychologists but medicate instead of provide talking therapies and other interventions. Very little practical difference but a large difference in training pathway. Remember - they're doctors first and psychologists second.

March 26, 2015 4:46 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #23

When i say therapist, I'm talking about a Psychologist. Sorry for the confusion.

March 26, 2015 4:47 p.m.

sirbar says... #24

I was aiming more toward clinical practice, so I'm looking to get a Ph.D.? Not terribly interested in teaching or writing, though if necessary I could do it.

As for these other qualifications, what do you mean by this. Like additional school in another subject area like sociology?

March 26, 2015 4:47 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #25

sirbar If you are interested in clinical studies and research, you want a Ph.D. That's like 3-4 years to get a masters after college, and another seven? I think it's seven, to get your doctorate.

March 26, 2015 4:48 p.m.

slovakattack says... #26

You don't need a PHD to be a clinical psychologist- a PHD is used more for Research than anything else.

March 26, 2015 4:49 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #27

A PHD involves research, a doctorate involves learning a practical skill at the highest level possible. Most psychologists that practice in a medical setting have the latter. A PHD is useless.

March 26, 2015 4:49 p.m.

Epochalyptik that article was great and well-said. Thank you for being able to coherently express your thoughts about this particular rules change.

March 26, 2015 4:49 p.m.

kyuuri117 says... #29

Yes, I mean you need to apply and attend another school after college to get your masters, and then apply to and attend yet ANOTHER school to get your doctorate after that. Most people don't become psychiatrists / full blown clinical researchers until they are in their late 30's early 40's. And that's if they start right after college.

March 26, 2015 4:50 p.m.

Dekordius says... #30

The ACT tests memory, the SAT tests logical reasoning. Personally, as a person that has next to no memory but superb logical reasoning ability, I am thankful that the SAT exists.

March 26, 2015 4:51 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #31

Indeed. That is true.

3 years degree, 2-3 years masters, 2-3 years doctorate.

You have to jump through a lot of hoops before they let you have peoples lives in your hands

March 26, 2015 4:52 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #32

I skipped my masters though because I'm pro.

(went to the best university in the UK)

March 26, 2015 4:56 p.m.

sirbar says... #33

ChiefBell and kyuuri117 Thanks both of you. That really helped.

March 26, 2015 5 p.m.

andymaul123 says... #34

sirbar To add to the conversation you also have to factor in practicum rotations, doctoral internship, dissertation, post-doctoral fellowship (optional depending on your state in the U.S.), and then licensure in order to get a job as a clinical psychologist (plus continuing education and/or specializations). My SO is 26 and has her PsyD in Clinical Psychology, and while it's possible to jam through it like she did, it's rough.

March 26, 2015 5:20 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #35

Very rough. I'm on my rotations right now. You need a years rotations to get onto the PsyD in the UK.

March 26, 2015 5:24 p.m.

HARDsofty says... #36

I don't think I'll need any education to become a politician. Any experience for that matter either?

Soory, only random comment for the time being.. aha

March 26, 2015 5:40 p.m.

Psychology sounds like the worst. I think I'll stick with getting my PhD in History.

March 26, 2015 5:54 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #38

Guys, we all know math is the best. Stinky liberal arts.

March 26, 2015 5:55 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #39

And, since I never have before, this page is now mine in the names of Riemann, Weierstrass, Gauss, Euler, and all the other geniuses of old. It was meant to be.

March 26, 2015 5:56 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #40

......Psychology is a liberal art?

March 26, 2015 5:59 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #41

It was meant towards the Ph.D in history, actually.

March 26, 2015 6:01 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #42

Also, just made this. I like to think it'll be a lot of fun.

March 26, 2015 6:04 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #43

Makes far more sense

March 26, 2015 6:04 p.m.

I love Zedruu, it's so f-ing derpy

March 26, 2015 6:05 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #45

I've never been a fan of the sciences either. Why experiment when you can objectively prove something? It'll probably take a while but it's also impossible to disprove.

March 26, 2015 6:06 p.m.

Excuse you.

March 26, 2015 6:06 p.m.

6tennis says... #47

I am a total math nerd, so I'll probably be doing stuff with tons of numbers. I'm thinking engineering, or something of the like.

March 26, 2015 6:08 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #48

6tennis I study pure math - mainly just calculus proofs. Algebraic geometry is really cool too though. Number theory, topology, graph theory, and the like are super icky. The only discrete math I like is probably just chaos theory, but that's likely because I've only seen the surface of it.

March 26, 2015 6:11 p.m.

bigguy99 says... #49

Would like to quickly correct myself in saying that chaos theory isn't actually discrete math. I got it confused with other stuff.

March 26, 2015 6:12 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #50

They should really teach philosophy of science.

Essentially it's that thought experiments prove nothing, and neither do real world experiments but they give you a pretty good idea if you repeat something 1000 times and get the same result almost every time. But there's no such thing as true objectivity. You can never prove anything - in fact all you can do is disprove other theories. That's as close as you can get to proving your own view. Therefore all we do in science is observe things multiple times so we have enough evidence to reliably think something is the case. No hard facts - just reliable evidence.

The world generally isn't based on hard facts that sort of appear out of thin air, it's from us just observing what happens if we repeat the same thing over and over. In fact there's an interesting psychological theory that basically says that science doesn't really exist. Humans are no more intelligent or objective than any other animal, they just made more mistakes. From those mistakes they learned abotu the world. There's certainly compelling evidence to support this. Most scientific discovery is actually by accident. Therefore some people think that humans aren't really capable of high level thought.

March 26, 2015 6:14 p.m.

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