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Posted on April 16, 2015, 4:18 p.m. by Kirbuigi
Am I the only person who hates the character Liliana Vess? After reading her story, she is just a self centered egotistical arse! She could have easily stopped this destruction and death! What do you think?Can't wait for Origins, though!
GoldGhost012 says... #5
What destruction and death? There's been a ton of that in MTG, and only a very very small amount tests on Lili's shoulders.
April 16, 2015 4:44 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #7
I like her.
tits. I like her tits.
She isn't a very interesting character, and I'd be happy if she didnt come back. she just seems like needless eyecandy at this point.
April 16, 2015 4:48 p.m.
She might not be as interesting as Sorin or Garruk, but she far outshines Jace, Nissa, Chandra (whom I still like), and Gideon.
April 16, 2015 5:06 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #9
oh, HELL no! no one direspects gideon! gideon hasn't had ANY backstory put up yet. If they were to actualy work on him more, I think he'd be really intesting. at this point, jace is just a staple, nissa... well... not sure what the deal is with her.... and I like chandra, I just wish they didnt make her cards shity and her backstory not very interesting. she COULD have been a good character.
April 16, 2015 5:19 p.m.
She is a black card, and that means DEATH!!!! Either that or pure torture. Either one would work. Quote "She could have easily stopped this destruction and death!". Well like i said, Black card, and that means DEATH. She is a nice card in general though.
April 16, 2015 5:21 p.m.
GoldGhost012 To answer; she cursed Garruk Relentless Flip, the hundreds of people she killed and reanimated, and don't forget about how she reanimated her brother as a zombie.
April 16, 2015 5:23 p.m.
"oh, HELL no! no one direspects gideon! gideon hasn't had ANY backstory put up yet. If they were to actualy work on him more, I think he'd be really intesting. at this point, jace is just a staple, nissa... well... not sure what the deal is with her.... and I like chandra, I just wish they didnt make her cards shity and her backstory not very interesting. she COULD have been a good character."
Well they do have a story for gideon, centered around the time of gatecrash, and i belive Zendikar. Gatecrash was when gideon was fighting with the boros, but in zendikar was when chandra and gideon worked together to save zendikar.
April 16, 2015 5:24 p.m.
I know she is an awesome card, but I just hesitate to add her to any decks, or even think of the card because of who the character is. Though, as for the new Liliana, Heretical Healer, that is an AWESOME card to me. Then again I love tokens and having many creatures on the battlefield.
April 16, 2015 5:28 p.m.
rox5tar In Magic Origins they are focusing on the backstory of Gideon, Chandra, Jace, Nissa and Liliana, so finally, People who like Gideon get a new card for him! Btw, my favourite planeswalker is Gideon. Also, if you haven't heard, the next block is called Battle for Zendikar. Horray!!!
April 16, 2015 5:34 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #15
I think she's a bit more complex than some of the other walkers. Narcissistic and flamboyant, bringing her brother back, her search for power, the pact with the 4 demons, the chain veil, the cursing of Garruk... Has there even been a situation where she has NOT sidestepped a ton of shit or even just plain come out on top? Not to mention, take one of the most busted black creatures, Griselbrand... and what happened to him? Hate her or love her, don't matter to me, but she's far more than a walking death stick.
April 16, 2015 5:42 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #16
rox5tar as buigi pointed out, I was talking about backstory, not storyline.
April 16, 2015 5:46 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME Sorry i got confused. This a bit about his backstory :
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Gideon_Jura
April 16, 2015 5:49 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #18
A) She's pretty damn hot son.
B) She has an awesome story.
C) She has awesome powers and possibly the second-best walker ever printed.
April 16, 2015 6:13 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #19
Ambition is sexy.
You should hate Nissa instead. Her ignorant disregard loosed the Eldrazi on her home plane.
April 16, 2015 6:20 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #20
Agreed. Lets all go make a nissa-hate thread, with blackjack, and hookers! and liliana. sexy bitch is a hooker whos good at blackjack.
April 16, 2015 6:25 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #22
YEAH! we don't need them! we'll just have blackjack, hookers, Ixidor, Reality Sculptor, Rayne, Academy Chancellor all sexy and nude, Barrin.....I forget, is this going to be a thread, a club, or a fanfiction?
April 16, 2015 6:49 p.m.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of planeswalker cards.But H***s yeah! Lets get the black jack on! Double down on 2s and got 21! My luck is awesome in that game
April 16, 2015 7:57 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #24
my luck is awesome anywhere BUT games.
killed 3 people yesterday, no one noticed. I was just stabbing some people to death in a park, people saw me, they just didnt care.
Now you're going to have to wonder whether or not I'm that crazy
April 16, 2015 8:06 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #25
A story needs an antoganist...
I like Garruk, personally. All but his last incarnation has been amazing. I mean, he's been very playable, until the last one. Great casual appeal, maybe EDH playable. As a character goes, he's awesome too. And he's after Liliana.
I will say that Liliana of the Veil is freaking sexy. Like my crazy exes.
April 16, 2015 8:34 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #26
Liliana is more of an anti-hero/villain than a straight-up antagonist in most of her story roles. The only one she's a real antagonist in is the cursed Garruk part of the Chain Veil saga, and it's hard to define that role as "antagonist" since she's the protagonist of the Chain Veil arc. If anything, Garruk is more the villain of his part Chain Veil saga with his insanity and hunting Planeswalkers for sport and all.
tl;dr it's harder to call Lili an antagonist rather than an anti-hero or even an anti-villain.
April 16, 2015 8:42 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #27
so what you're saying is that she's an antagonizer who antagonizes antagonists?
antagoception?
nvm. Ignore me and my stupid comments :P
April 16, 2015 8:45 p.m.
"In Magic Origins they are focusing on the backstory of Gideon, Chandra, Jace, Nissa and Liliana, so finally, People who like Gideon get a new card for him! Btw, my favourite planeswalker is Gideon. Also, if you haven't heard, the next block is called Battle for Zendikar. Horray!!!" What? I mean I like gideon as much as the next guy, but they are dropping some of my favorite planeswalkers. (Garruk, Ajani) I mean i don't have a problem with chandra or nissa, but they are dropping some of the most famous planeswalkers. What is the World coming too?!
April 16, 2015 8:54 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #29
Well, Gideon is more deserving of a spot in Origins imo since they're focussing on the walkers' back story. We already got literally an entire plane of backstory for Ajani on Alara.
April 16, 2015 9:13 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #30
I hate Gideon. He comes off as a pompous ass who thinks he knows everything but still manages to get his face kicked in a majority of the time.
April 16, 2015 9:14 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #32
I would like to see proof of this?
I mean if you're sure about that then you must have some sort of evidence?
April 16, 2015 9:22 p.m.
rox5tar sorry, I addressed my comment to the wrong person. I was meaning to talk to DERPLINGSUPREME. My appologies!By the way, VampireArmy I don't think Gideon Jura is pompous. He isn't afraid to get into the fight and get his hands dirty! He fights his own battles. He's my favourite Planeswalker in the game.Plus, Gideon, Champion of Justice is a frickin' walking 6 drop board wiper that works indefinitely ! Plus he is technically indefinitely strong. Just saying.
April 16, 2015 9:36 p.m.
"Well, Gideon is more deserving of a spot in Origins imo since they're focussing on the walkers' back story. We already got literally an entire plane of backstory for Ajani on Alara."
Well I guess you are right about him needing a spot in origins, but you are with me when I said that they were dropping Ajani. He is pretty decent in standard though, so Gideon better make up for it. I am going to need a new planeswalker when Ajani Steadfast goes out of standard.
April 16, 2015 9:42 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #36
I kind of wonder if WoTC might be putting Ajani for a while while they focus on some other storylines that have been coming to fruition. Besides, he's just chillaxin' with his peeps back on Theros wondering how the hell he's going to save Elspeth.
As for Garruk, my gut tells me we'll see him pretty soon on Zendikar or the immediate block after. Not that I am personally fully subscribing to the notion, but let's just, for the sake of argument, say that Nahiri really is Avacyn. Realistically, Garruk can only be going to one of two places: Zendikar to find out more about the hedron holding back his curse, or Innistrad to possibly have Avacyn cure him. IF Avacyn = Nahiri, she'll be on Zendikar along with half the PWs we know (Kiora, Gideon, Sorin, Ugin, just to name a few). Hell, if even half what I make up in my head is true, Zendikar will be chock full of storyline goodness.
April 16, 2015 10:45 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #37
uuuuuh, avacyn ID NOT nihiri. not sure what you were thinking there, AngryBearTony.
April 16, 2015 11:23 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #38
DERPLINGSUPREME there is currently an internet conspiracy theory where Sorin was able to somehow transform Nahiri into the angel Avacyn. This is based on Sorin's bad reaction to hearing Ugin say Nahiri's name and the fact that they look a bit similar.
April 16, 2015 11:28 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #39
on the reaction topic, it would have made sense if they werent the same, too. they did stuff together, so it would kinda make sense he'd be bothered.
also I dont see any way for him to trans form her. Angels cant be planewalkers since they cant have a spark, therefor, planewalkers can't be angelsShe would have to somehow LOOSE HER SPARK, and turn into a creature that can't have it in the first place.
April 16, 2015 11:38 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #40
I feel as though this thread should be in lore now.
April 16, 2015 11:38 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #41
I quite like Lili's story, but all of her cards, save of the Veil, are not good. Nowhere near on the level of Ajani or Bolas, but Lili is alright.
April 17, 2015 2:57 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #42
JexInfinite But the flavor in Liliana, Heretical Healer... how can you not love the flavor...
Also, just on a side note, how come she's not in the database yet? It's been like a good month.
April 17, 2015 8:07 a.m.
@Kirbuigi
Arbitrary measurements of altruism versus selfishness.
On every world Liliana visits, people are going to die regardless of what she does. It's not her home, they're not her friends, and it's not her business. She could save a hundred people, and for all she knows they'll kill a hundred more - she's been fooled more than once. And nobody gets anything for free - she learned that the first time with her brother. Commerce is clean: as long as everybody holds up their end, then everybody goes home happy. If anybody doesn't, then they can go home in a box - after Liliana has extracted her due. Does Liliana Vess look like a b-? No.
Liliana doesn't have anything else to care about anymore. Revenge, maybe: take one life for every being that ever threatened her. A promise, maybe: live a testament to every moment that her brother was denied. She's a little tragic. She's very bitter. She's not at all apologetic, because she's always felt like she was the one getting shafted.
April 23, 2015 7:37 a.m.
AngryBearTony says... #45
@x754: Did you just equate Liliana to Marsellus Wallace?
April 23, 2015 12:11 p.m.
@AngryBearTony
I made a reference, but that does not equate them. Marsellus Wallace generally doesn't get his own hands dirty when business goes sour, while Liliana enjoys expressing her displeasures very much.
asasinater13 says... #2
Agreed a black character. Of course she's self centered. It's their whole thing.
April 16, 2015 4:24 p.m.