Mirrym goes infinite with Ganax (Setup: Requires 2 more pieces; Token doubler + draw)
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Posted on June 2, 2022, 4:12 a.m. by TypicalTimmy
Just discovered this.
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm goes infinite with Ganax, Astral Hunter. Here's what happens:
With Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm in play, cast and resolve Ganax, Astral Hunter. Miirym creates a NON-LEGENDARY token copy of Ganax.
Normally Ganax would ETB and create a treasure for himself. However, prior to Ganax resolving, stack Miirym in front of him. Miirym resolves and she creates the token.
The token of Ganax will see itself and make you a treasure token.
OG Ganax will see the token and give you a treasure token.
OG Ganax will also see himself, giving you your third treasure token.
The way this can be turned infinite is with Parallel Lives or a similar token doubler. Because now what actually happens is a little more complicated.
- Ganax ETB
- Miirym triggers above Ganax's ETB effect
- Miirym creates her token copy of Ganax
- Parallel Lives gives you a 2nd copy
- These two copies see each other
- +2 treasure - one from each seeing the other
- +2 treasure - one from each seeing themselves
- OG Ganax sees two Dragons ETB
- +2 more treasure
- OG Ganax sees himself as well
- +1 treasure
But recall, Parallel Lives sees all of this happening and is going to double all of those treasure tokens, too. So your +7 treasure are now +14.
You're about to run out of gas if you don't have draw. So, slap some draw on top of this. Garruk's Uprising, Temur Ascendancy, Kindred Discovery, etc. Anything that draws you a card whenever a creature ETB. Works best if they do not care if it is a token or nontoken creature. So a card such as Guardian Project does help, but it won't draw you for the tokens.
If you have something such as Garruk's Uprising, you will have drawn +3 cards. +1 for OG Ganax, +1 for the token Miirym created and +1 for the token Parallel Lives gave you.
If, within any of these three, you draw another appropriate Dragon (Or already had one in your hand), you have now gone infinite. Because if you cast, say, your Savage Ventmaw what happens is the following:
- All three Ganax see Savage Ventmaw
- Before you resolve their treasure triggers, you have Miirym + Parallel Lives
- You get a total of x3 treasure for OG Ventmaw
- x3 treasure for the 1st token
- x3 for the 2nd token
- You draw +3 more cards for Garruk's Uprising (Or the draw engine of your choice)
- And recall, Parallel Lives doubles your treasure, as well. So that +9 treasure just became +18
So you just spent 6 mana to produce 18 mana, and you just played 1 card to draw 3 cards.
As long as you have a sufficient density of Dragons in your deck, you are now infinite.
Alternatively to a token doubler such as Parallel Lives, you can use Goldspan Dragon to allow your treasures to add x2 mana. If you do this, it'll work as well. This is because if you have two Ganax online and you get two Savage Ventmaw, you will produce x4 total treasure tokens, but these x4 will produce x8 total mana.
So it'll be tighter on mana costs, but still gets you ahead.
However, you won't draw as many cards, so you may sputter out a bit too soon. So while Goldspan Dragon is an appropriate stand-in, she is like Guardian Project in that she is not as efficient as some other options.
If you really want to be dumb about it all, you can make it infinitely more janky.
You require: Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm, Ganax, Astral Hunter, March of the Machines and something such as Crucible of Fire.
I think you can figure out what happens here, if you add Maskwood Nexus into the mix, haha.
- And note: Neither Miirym nor Ganax are "may" abilities. You absolutely must create the tokens. So if you do not have an ETB damage effect, such as Dragon Tempest, to take down life totals - yes, this is a TRUE infinite loop that will cause the game to end. Lmao. Don't see too many of those anymore, do we?! :D
Gidgetimer says... #3
Some more fun interactions with Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm:
Ganax, Astral Hunter and Deadeye Navigator makes infinite treasures and dragons.
Rapacious Dragon and DEN make infinite dragon tokens.
Bladewing the Risen and a sacrifice outlet makes infinite dragons and infinite of whatever the sac outlet gives you. (In a 5-color dragons deck not one helmed by Miirym.)
Worldgorger Dragon and a sacrifice outlet allow you to infinitely exile your board. To create value you need something with an ETB also.
June 3, 2022 6:28 a.m.
In regards to the Worldgorger Dragon combo, it exiles your lands, so you can generate infinite mana. WGD enters, tap lands, exile lands, token enters, exiles original WGD, lands come back untapped. Repeat as many times as you want.
June 3, 2022 9:01 a.m.
Not exactly the combo mentioned here, but I drafted Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm in my pre-release and I managed to copy it with Irenicus's Vile Duplication. Needless to say, I won that round. Getting three Amethyst Dragon's to go with three Bhaal's Invoker's and three Pseudodragon Familiar's was just more than the pod could deal with.
Based on that experience I actually think that a better route for shenanigans with Miirym is by using Spark Double and friends to make copies of it. Also remember that Miirym's ability is on ETB, not cast, so you can have fun with blinking your dragons too.
enpc says... #2
So let's be very clear on terminology here - this is not in fact an infinite combo. This is a draw engine which nets mana each cycle. An "infinite combo" is typically something that can be shortcutted, like Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies. Here, you need to keep drawing specifically dragons with power 4+ power (assuming you're using Garruk's Uprising and yes, I know that most dragons fit that bill). If you fail to draw a dragon, you whiff. It by it's very definition makes the combo non-deterministic and therefore cannot be classified as an infinite combo.
At this point you have created a draw card combo which needs 4 cards, at 6, 5, 4 and 3 mana (totalling 18 mana if played in one turn). All of these cards make sense in the deck, however at this point you're still talking about a 4 card combo costing 18 mana.
I do appreciate however that it's a combo you're excited about and I'm sure makes sense in Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm decks. I wouldn't recommend the March of the Machines combo here as it feels way to narrow for the amount of setup required, however the other line seems decent. I would recommend however that any deck trying to sport this have a heavy focus on ramp.
June 2, 2022 8:30 a.m.