Myojin of Infinite Rage in Edh
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Jan. 16, 2016, 5:17 p.m. by 2npii
I've finally put together some edh decks on MTGO including a turbo Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck. I managed to drop a turn 6 Myojin of Infinite Rage in a multiplayer game; two players scooped, but the third blocked me and let the match run to time. Have I committed a faux pas or was that guy just being salty?
But is it more of a dick move than that combo that turns all your stuff into artifacts then sends them back to your hand? Or anything that makes infinite mana for a instant win with Blue Sun's Zenith? There are loads of things that win the game on the spot, is LD worse than the others?
Presumably MTGO; they just said that in the chat before timing out.
January 16, 2016 5:50 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #4
those are all terrible. the game is meant to be enjoyed by all, not immediately ended by one.
January 16, 2016 6:22 p.m.
GoldenDemon says... #5
Some people get really mad about mass LD; while I respect their feelings and understand to an extent where they're coming from, and generally think that mass LD that doesn't immediately or shortly lead to a victory is sort of rude, that's just the nature of the game and refusing to accept it as a valid tactic (especially in aggro decks, where mass LD is often necessary to cement a dominant board position) is petulant and childish.
tl;dr scrubs need to git gud. Casual deck =/= bad deck, and casual format =/= bad-deck format.
January 19, 2016 10:22 p.m.
nobu_the_bard says... #6
I wanted to note; the usual problem with land destruction that I have is if the land destruction isn't part of the winning strategy. I don't know enough about the boardstate to comment if any of the above was an appropriate response; I have too often seen people use it as an attempt at deterrent (if you attack/push me, I'll destroy all lands) or as some kind disruption (destroy all lands, attempt to get by with just manadorks/manarocks for a bit).
Both of these approaches tend to just make the game grinding and long. In terms of effectiveness they tend to be more of a coinflip than anything, and often if used while at a disadvantage, don't turn the game around- they just slow it down.
I don't know if you were using it this way, or if you had a more coherent plan in mind, but other players often feel the same way about it as I do, and their impression of you may have been that you were doing this, and they weren't going to slog through it (probably the case of the players that left). It could also just have been a "LD is bad" thing (probably the one that blocked you; they tend to bristle quite a bit when they have this kind of gospel ingrained in them).
Many players running LD on MTGO also are just trolls; making the most annoying plays they can because that is a "win" for them. It can be hard to tell you aren't trying to do this, and people often won't bother to find out when they could instead find another game.
January 21, 2016 11:49 a.m.
I'm going to pose a question. In a tournament setting, my opponent is going to ult Gideon, Champion of Justice. He floats enough mana to cast Gisela, Blade of Goldnight. We all (it was a 4 person pod) float our mana. He exiles everything, casts Gisela. I use my floating mana to remove it.
The game proceeds to take an hour or two longer, with me as the victor. Everyone has a horrible time. Is it fair to hate on the Gisela player? They wanted to end the game with Gisela, but failed to do so. It it wrong to hate on the mass LD because he failed to follow through? Or was his intent to win enough to forgive him?
January 21, 2016 12:02 p.m.
nobu_the_bard says... #8
It wouldn't bother me so much personally:
- Gideon, Champion of Justice isn't just land destruction, he eviscerates boardstates, so opponents' defenses were torn open.
- The player clearly had a strategy to capitalize on the situation (quality/success of this strategy aside)
- Tournament event, people tend to be more cutthroat because winning "matters", so some more brutal strategies are to be expected
January 21, 2016 3:16 p.m.
nobu_the_bard - I'm running Myojin as a win-con. My deck is pretty glass-cannon-y; get out Rakdos ASAP, cast big things, try and win. In this instance one guy had land ramped a bunch, another hadn't done a lot (the one who blocked me) and the third had Damia, Sage of Stone out and was drawing/ playing 7 cards per turn. This guy had just tutored up a cyclonic rift to ruin my day with so my only chance of survival was blow up all the lands and win. I had Rakdos, Myojin and another fatty in play and Rakdos would let me cast any of my colorless wincons for free. I wasn't stalling the game, I got far enough ahead that I could win in a few turns.
January 21, 2016 6:12 p.m.
nobu_the_bard says... #10
Haha ... Yeah. Like I said, I didn't have enough information to judge your situation. I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents into the hat about why I and at least some other people hate it. I couldn't say the others had reasonable reactions (well, at least one didn't).
This particular scenario seems reasonable. Knowing more about it, I probably would have stuck it out if I'd been one of your opponents, and been more frustrated with the others since from my perspective they chickened out. If you'd been stalled long enough or faced enough removal you'd be in trouble, so it's not unbeatable (though I can't guarantee I'd beat it personally), and just packing up and leaving wasn't called for. Plus I haven't seen it done before. On MTGO it'd be more merciful than some mill-1-at-a-time infinite combo. One way or another it wouldn't last long after that anyway.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #2
LD is basically always a dick move. Especially in a highly social and friendly multiplayer format. It just ends the game. no more fun, everyone just gets fucked over.
also, you said "but the third blocked me". blocked you from what?
January 16, 2016 5:23 p.m.