Prosper Tome Bound Flip side card play
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Posted on April 21, 2022, 2:37 p.m. by Dammjan
Hey, if I exile a flip card like Valki, God of Lies Flip with Prosper, Tome-Bound can I play the other not front facing side of the card so in this case Tibalt, Cosmic Imposter?
jaymc1130 is correct. You can choose which face of a MDFC to play.
According to Gatherer Rulings under Valki, God of Lies Flip you can pick which face you want to cast. See the ruling there: Valki, God of Lies @ Gatherer.
Per the rulings;"If an effect allows you to play a specific modal double-faced card, you may cast it as a spell or play it as a land, as determined by which face you choose to play. If an effect allows you to cast (rather than “play”) a specific modal double-faced card, you can't play it as a land." And "If an effect allows you to play a land or cast a spell from among a group of cards, you may play or cast a modal double-faced card with any face that fits the criteria of that effect."
April 21, 2022 8:52 p.m.
But according to 712.4a "While a double-faced card is outside the game or in a zone other than the battlefield or stack, it has only the characteristics of its front face." I can only play the first side of the card. But it would also apply to my hand. So I am realy confused rn...
April 22, 2022 4:50 p.m.
Double-faced cards are not Modal Double-faced cards and the rules for them are not the same. The rule you mentioned, 712.4a, does not apply to MDFCs.
Double-faced cards have the transform or meld keywords on them. Also Day and Night bound. Those cards can only be played as the front side. And to use the back side, whatever requirement is needed to trandform the card has to be satisfied.
See here in the wiki, go down to the Modal double-faced cards (MDFCs) section: Double-faced card. Here it says the following; "When you play a modal double-faced card, you choose which face you're playing."
Under rule 712.7 it says this about MDFCs; "A player casting a modal double-faced card as a spell chooses which face they are casting before putting it onto the stack."
jaymc1130 says... #2
I think so, the rules changes to MDFC's were largely aimed at the flicker effects that had been flipping them, and I don't think that's the case here. Given the wording on Prosper it seems you exile the card, then decide to play it, and MDFCs become one face or the other at the moment you decide to play them. If you can play MDFC lands from the yard as lands with a Crucible of Worlds in play it stands to reason you should be able to exile Valki and then cast the Tibalt side from exile.
April 21, 2022 5:34 p.m.