Relevance of Origins Planeswalkers
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Feb. 22, 2016, 3:16 a.m. by Aztraeuz
Are any of these Planeswalkers good in EDH? Do any of them have much to offer? Are any of them relevant to Super Friends?
For reference here are the cards and my first impression of them for EDH.
Kytheon, Hero of Akros FlipTo me he seems to be pretty bad. Not much use in EDH or Superfriends. I don't actually see much use.
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy FlipCould do decent I suppose. As a creature he is a Wizard so he could see some use in a Wizard deck like Azami, Lady of Scrolls. As a Planeswalker he gives the spells in your Graveyard Flashback. His Emblem could be okay. It would stop your opponents from Tutoring to the top of their deck.
Liliana, Heretical Healer
FlipNot just because 
is my favorite color in Magic but I believe Liliana is probably the best. I see use for her, even potentially in Super Friends. It may be hard to get her to Flip depending on how many creatures you're running but she has potential. She can generate 2 tokens when she Flips if Doubling Season is on the field and be only one activation, (that she can do the turn she Flips), away from her Emblem. In a good Super Friends board state she could be dropped, Flipped, Activate, then Emblem the turn she comes into play. Her Emblem could generate a lot of creatures on your side of the board. Super Friends like board wipes targeting creatures and this Emblem could just move them to your side of the board. She may just be Win More though.
Chandra, Fire of KaladeshHer Flip is easy, her damage like most other Red Burn spells is pretty low for EDH. Even though her Emblem could ideally be gotten the turn she comes into play, the Emblem itself is low damage. I could see it being used in a select few decks.
Nissa, Vastwood Seer
FlipNissa seems to be really hindered by her "basic Forest" text. She could have been an easy inclusion for any deck running 
. As a Planeswalker she doesn't seem that good either. In order to Flip her you have to have 7 lands on the Battlefield. I expect that any EDH player with 7 lands on the Battlefield probably doesn't need her +1 ability very often. Her -2 puts a Legendary token on the Battlefield, meaning you can only use it once the first dies, or you want the first to die intentionally. Her -7 I feel opens your lands up to unnecessary weaknesses. The chance to be wiped is huge in EDH.
Have I done a good job figuring these out? How do you feel about them? Would you run them? Would you run any of them in Super Friends?
Yeah I was looking to possibly include Liliana, Heretical Healer
Flip in my Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord deck. I feel she could fit in many decks. Really any deck sacrificing anything, Delve decks, etc. I mentioned her Superfriends potential in my main post. I personally think she is the best.
February 22, 2016 4:06 a.m.
BreadManDan says... #4
Lili is great in my karador deck. Nissa sees play in my tasigur deck because the +1 either puts a card in my hand or a land on the field so why not. Buddy of mine runs the jace in his tasigur deck with really good results.
February 22, 2016 5:08 a.m.
theClokkwork says... #5
Jace can actually be a very strong commander, as seen here with a 1st place win in Bohemia.
http://http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11226&f=EDH
February 22, 2016 5:43 a.m. Edited.
MagicalHacker says... #6
Unfortunately, Wizards ignored the fact that red and white need the most support in EDH when designing these flipwalkers, because those are the only ones I don't see as feasible as commanders. Liliana is one I have lots of fun playing a pretty strong deck (see my profile for my deck). Nissa says "Play lots of ramp, I'll give you card draw," which is very VERY good for mono green ramp. Jace is boring in my opinion, but there's no arguing that a repeatable Merfolk Looter/Snapcaster Mage as a 2-drop commander is very strong. Kytheon could be good as an aggro mono-white deck, but I'm more leaning on the side that it's not very scary because he requires you to have creatures out to flip in a format that has a lot of board wipes around. The issue with Chandra is that her abilities on both sides are irrelevant. Sigh, should I even be surprised?
February 22, 2016 8:43 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #7
Liliana is good. I'd play her in most Black-based decks.
In Mono-Green or Dual-Colour decks, Nissa is very good. If you flip her, her + ability is extremely good. It provides a steady flow that any deck wants. Combined with cards like Oracle or Courser, the Planewalker side is extremely strong. It's drawing an additional card each turn. That is good. With courser and oracle, it can easily become drawing three cards a turn. That is very relevant.
Jace is okay. His plus-ability, which is nuts in 60-cards Constructed, is largely irrelevant for EDH. The Snapcaster effects is reasonable, but not that amazing every second turn. Actually, I'd not be too sad to never actually flip Jace in EDH, but then again, there's much better and less fragile cards to give me the effect the creature side has.
Gideon is horrible. He's decent as a commander for white weenies, but even there, he's not very good. You could have Brimaz at the helm for such a deck, after all.
Chandra is even worse than Gideon.
February 22, 2016 9:44 a.m. Edited.
Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip is a better Isamaru, Hound of Konda.
So he actually has some relevance in Voltron, but that's about it.
February 22, 2016 9:48 a.m.
Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip is nuts in any ramp heavy deck. While she only gets a basic Forest, as mentioned earlier if you're running a mono or dual coloured deck you should have an abundance of them. And the repeatable card advantage she provides, especially in green, is super relevant. Out of all 5 of the flip planeswalkers, she is by far the most beneficial as she will fit into the most number of decks.
February 22, 2016 5:22 p.m.
I really don't think so. Nissa is only relevant in any Green heavy deck. Few decks are running enough Basic Forests to be relevant. She could be great in Mono-Green or potentially a Green heavy dual color deck. Once you hit 3 colors which is common in EDH her value drops significantly.
My Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord deck really couldn't use her either as it is primarily Black with support from Green.
The problem really is that as a Planeswalker she is not very good. She +1 could prove useful but that is really her only good ability. The Token she creates is Legendary so you can only make one, her Ult only opens your lands up to common board wipes.
February 22, 2016 6:36 p.m.
iAzire: Most G/X decks have a heavy leaning on green as it provides the best ramp. In a tri-coloured deck, sure, she definitely losses power but my comment wasn't about tri-coloured decks. And even if it's not a heavy leaning, most dual coloured decks will run at least 6 or 7 forests, making her plenty viable.
The reason she is so good is that she provides constant card advantage in green, which other than Sylvan Library is basically unheard of. As for the other abilities, what other abilities? You play her, flip her and just keep ticking up the +1. Maybe you'll make a blocker, but most of the time you'll just go for card advantage. And the only time I would ever activate her ult is on my opponent's lands just prior to wrathing.
As for your Jarad deck, I don't know, I havent seen it but there will always be cases where cards aren't a good fit. But just because your deck might not like it doesn't mean it's bad. You have access to black which provides good card advantage, so there's less of a requirement for her. I run a Selesnya deck and she absolutely shines in it.
On the whole though, she's easy to cast, relatively easy to flip (as you're in ramp colours just to play her) and she provides cosntant card advantage. And unflipped she's still a 2/2 body for 3 which isn't too bad. And then flipped she can potentially provide a 4/4 body.
February 22, 2016 7:51 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #12
For walkers, lili and Nissa are the best imo, the rest are terrible. Jace is super bad at the helm of a U control shell. People often forget that he's summoning sick for the first turn you cast him. You will eventually play him as a 0/2 no abilities for 6.
February 24, 2016 7:06 p.m.
Calculus_Lord says... #13
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip is actually really good in EDH because blue is a lot lot more powerful in EDH than it is in standard or modern. Yes he can't tap the turn he comes out but chances are that you will be able to defend him playing blue. If you have red in the deck just give him haste. When my Jace is on the battlefield my buddies are pretty scared of it. It can cast cards like Time Warp, Bribery, Drain Power, Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, Wrath of God and many other cards from the graveyard. Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip is probably the best flipwalker in any format and he is definitely one of the best planeswalkers ever printed
February 25, 2016 2:24 a.m. Edited.
Dredge4life says... #14
@Calculus_Lord I agree that Jace is fantastic as one of the 99. However, as a general, I feel he doesn't do enough when you're behind to justify being your commander. The best case scenario is you have a great instant/sorcery in your graveyard and you get to discard a land to flip him. His +1 is nigh useless and the situations he would be good in are almost always win-mores. Yes you can protect him, but that will cost you valuable resources and counters just to recast something in your yard. I feel there are a multitude of better options for mono U.
February 25, 2016 3:33 p.m.
Calculus_Lord says... #15
Dredge4life I never said he was a good commander. OP asked if he is good in EDH. My response is if you're playing blue and you can put Jace in the deck put him in
February 25, 2016 6:03 p.m.
He's ok if you build around him a bit, however Azami, Lady of Scrolls is the better choice overall for mono-blue. Jace, Telepath Unbound's +1 however gets funny with things like Dismiss into Dream in play.
February 25, 2016 6:10 p.m. Edited.
Dredge4life says... #17
@Calculus_Lord in that case, I seem to have misunderstood you. My apologies.
February 25, 2016 9:03 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #18
My mono-W tokens EDH deck has Kytheon at the helm. It was one of the best decisions I could have made for the deck.
xavrr says... #2
I'm not sure about most of the flipwalkers, but Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip has some potential. In the right deck she can be super easy to flip, for example in my Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck you can just play it then immediately sacrifice, i don't know, a Spore Frog or something...In these sort of decks the +2 will help fill your graveyard to return stuff from, and the -X is great to selectively return things that you need.The emblem can be pretty amazing...
I kind of agree with you about the rest of them, their not too good, but Jace probably comes 2nd for me.
February 22, 2016 3:56 a.m.