black sun's nadir
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Posted on Oct. 27, 2014, 9:26 a.m. by K34
I have an idea that could only really fit flavorfully in a twisted kind of set like planar chaos was. As we all know, the nadir is the opposite of the zenith. Where a zenith is the high point in the cycle, the nadir is the low point. (If you didn't know already, now you do)
I was thinking it would really be a cool cycle of cards for them do the complete opposite as the zenith cycle. Like for example, black sun's nadir would read "put x +1/+1 counters on each creature" and red sun's nadir would say "target player gains x life". I don't know how you would make the opposite of the the other three. Maybe blue could say "target player puts the top x cards of his or her graveyard on top of his or her library" or something like that. I don't know, I'm not a designer, but I think it would be neat. What do you all think?
pookypuppy6 says... #3
@TurboFagoot: K34 mentioned that this kind of idea would be suited only in a sort of Planar Chaos--type set where things were colour shifted as part of an alternate future of Magic. So imagine that breaking the colour pie was totally the intent. Still questionable if that kind of set would be good to do again, but hey, it's a fun idea to divulge.
The green one lets you search your deck for a creature. I'd say the green Zenith could search your opponent's library for a creature with converted mana cost X or less and cast that as your own; it's beautifully out of the colour pie as that kinda thing is more blue or black. The white one produces creatures, so perhaps it could force your opponent to sacrifice creatures Killing Wave style.
October 27, 2014 10:30 a.m.
Nadir is a low point, in contrast to zenith. How is putting counters on your creatures a low point in black? This is very highly desired in a deck that can benefit from it, which black does not get to do (Marchesa would love this).
I would instead make the cycle common and have them at a lower cost do the same as the original, just nerfed. The black one could be BB, Instant - Put -1/-1 counter on target creature, shuffle back into library. THAT seems like a card that hits both the flavor and power level of the nadir and sounds like something actually playable (I am thinking in the sense of pauper, casual and even standard).
The blue one would be UU = Target player draws a card and shuffle it.
The red one would be RR = Deal 2 damage and shuffle it.
The green one would be GG = Search your library for a creature card with CMC equal to or less than the number times Green Sun's Nadir was played this game (very obscure rules-wise though) and shuffle
The white one would be WW = Put a 2/2 cat with vigilance into play and shuffle.
October 27, 2014 10:41 a.m.
I still kinda prefer the opposite ones I came up with, just because they'd be bizarre and unexpected. They might not as adequately describe the zenith/nadir relationship I think they would be crazy fun to play
October 27, 2014 10:50 a.m.
Eduardogbg says... #6
If you want to make it the opposite, you could make this way
Black's CYCLE NAME
X WG WG WG
Put X +1/+1 counters on X creatures. Shuffle
W and G are allies that are enemies of black.The first X (big creature) is green, the second one, is white (lots of creatures), even tough you don't need to pay XX, just X. Or it could be XY WG WG WG (I know Y in mana costs don't means nothing, but, you got the ideia) put X counters in Y creatures.
The red one could be:
Red's CYCLE NAME
X UW UW UW
Counter target X spells unless their controllers pay X.
Or maybe:Put target X creatures at the top X cards of theirs owners libraries
Shuffle
and etc...
TurboFagoot says... #2
Those break the color pie, so that's probably a terrible idea.
October 27, 2014 10:18 a.m.