Fifteen Drop Instant Win
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Posted on Jan. 7, 2015, 8:21 a.m. by CharlesMandore
At my LGS I joke around that I have a "fifteen drop insta-win card", which of course isn't true. Such a card would wreck face in commander. However, what if it was real? What if it went like this:
15 CMC with no colors, maybe it's an artifact or what-not. On the card it reads: "To cast this card you can only spend mana produced from lands you control. When __ enters the battlefield destroy all other permanent and emblems (too much?), and you win the game."
Has this been exhausted before? I didn't do any scouting in the forums to find out.
Tell me what you think, and do so nicely.
Epochalyptik says... #3
It seems superfluous to both destroy everything and win the game unless you're banking on Platinum Angel.
Also, I would never write "you win the game" on anything colorless. Probably not on anything at all.
January 7, 2015 8:24 a.m.
CharlesMandore says... #4
Quite superfluous, but so is the card's nature. However, that was the card I was thinking about.
January 7, 2015 8:27 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #5
It would be banned. Something that guarantees a win would not be allowed in EDH, since you could easily get it out early by using Show and Tell or Arcum Dagsson. It would need a clause like "This card must be cast from your hand, otherwise you lose the game". I would never want to see a colorless instant win card that lets you win when it enters the battlefield.
January 7, 2015 8:32 a.m.
FatherLiir says... #7
Using Urza's Tower Urza's Mine and Urza's Power Plant you would pull this off by turn 7. Using Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx in a Mono Green Devotion you could probably do it sooner. I'm sure there's a proliferate way to do it.
Perhaps consider changing it to "Basic Lands'' but even then you can have entire decks running Burnished Hart, Search for Tomorrow, etc, etc, it's just a very unfun toxic card honestly.
You can take out the Legendary Eldrazi in a various amount of ways that don't even have to be all that hard or expensive such as have them fight a deathtouch creature, Door to Nothingness can be destroyed, exiled, etc. Just saying "You Win The Game" for casting a spell, (not something with stipulations like Barren Glory or Hellkite Tyrant, where conditions that are arguably difficult to pull off even in EDH) is very unfun.
January 7, 2015 9:15 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #8
Sounds kinda like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, which in most cases in an insta-win especially if hardcast.
January 7, 2015 9:37 a.m.
CharlesMandore says... #9
Yeah yeah, I know it's not very interesting, and of course it's stupid; we'd never play it. It's merely a joke of mine, that's now seen the light of the internet.
January 7, 2015 10:17 a.m.
Total Obliteration - 
Instant - Mythic Rare
Total Obliteration can only be played from your hand.
You win the game.
I would like this card! :)
January 7, 2015 10:44 a.m.
Sounds like you just want an "I win" button that doesn't require you to worry about mana base. Such a card would probably never be a completely colorless card of any type(as there are multiple ways to reduce colorless mana costs) and then you'd just be getting a copy of Door to Nothingness.
Cards like that just tend to leave a sour taste in a player's mouth from my experience. The game is going great and you guys are battling it out, then out of nowhere someone just wins the game without interacting with anyone.
January 7, 2015 11:30 a.m.
For 15 mana you could probably somehow manifest Phage the Untouchable and then transform her at instant speed (can you do that?) for an insta win.
January 7, 2015 11:39 a.m.
Oh, ChiefBell, that could be a pretty funny deck. Playing lots of manifest cards, then put her into play and attack. Then morph and win! You should be able to morph Phage.
January 7, 2015 11:45 a.m.
That at least would be somewhat preventable and not so much an "I win" button. Phage has no evasion and must deal damage to activate her ability. Of course, if she's face down when you're attacking, they don't know it is her. But this runs into the same problem as many alternate win-cons. Once you do it once, people will be expecting it. This could probably lead to a hilarious morph/manifest centered deck where you're opponents never truly know if you're attacking with some manifested land or Phage. You can manifest Phage like you said without losing the game to her ability, but it should be noted that how much mana you have open while attacking could be a giveaway since you'd need 7 mana to flip her.
The deck would also require lots of topdeck manipulation to ensure Phage is there when you manifest. All in all not a broken strategy, but a very fun one with the potential for lots of mind games once you're opponent knows what you're up to.
January 7, 2015 12:04 p.m.
What if you had multiple face down creatures.
HEY! Guess which one will kill you!
January 7, 2015 12:09 p.m.
So long as they remember which ones where manifested and which ones where played as morph they could guess I suppose. I know there are rules against rearranging cards on the board so you can't pull any funny stuff with moving creatures to difference sides of each other sadly :(
But if they're all manifested... Fun times can be had.
There are a few fun morph cards though that are awesome even in edh. I really like Raven Guild Master. Losing more than a tenth of your deck completely by surprise is never fun. The fact that it can exile Eldrazi's is just icing.
January 7, 2015 12:23 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #17
Dream Halls would make this broken. I can think of a turn two won also. First turn Forest, then Sol Ring. Turn 2, any land, then tap both lands for two man, use Crop Rotation, get two Islands, tap both lands for three floating mana, then tap Sol Ring for 5 mana to play Dream Halls. Then discard any card for NorthernRaven's card idea Total Obliteration. Win. I think this is all correct. Dream Halls and Crop Rotation might be worded differently than I recall.
January 7, 2015 1:59 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #18
Crop Rotation can't fetch two lands from your deck, only one. There are plenty of ways to do it turn two - heck, even turn one. If you're playing EDH, you have access to Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, and all the cheap mana rocks barring Moxen and Lotus. That's not a likely scenario though.
January 7, 2015 3:26 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #19
I was always told by friends at my LGS that Crop Rotation and Harrow is an optionally repeated effect... Whatever though.
January 7, 2015 3:30 p.m.
Nope, you can only sacrifice as many as the card's additional cost says. Otherwise, Crop Rotation would be a 1 mana, instant speed Scapeshift.
January 7, 2015 3:38 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #21
Oh that's true. Thanks for clearing that up guys! I'm gonna give my friends some serious shit now.
January 7, 2015 3:47 p.m.
Oh! Got the best idea EVAR!!!!
Listen:
T2: Soul Summons
T3: Cloudshift, then put a Iona, Shield of Emeria into play!!
GOOD GAME!
Seriously, couldn't this be some sort of fun little combo deck? T3 anything is quite nice!
(Don't want to start a new topic...)
January 7, 2015 4:08 p.m.
CharlesMandore says... #24
It's very entertaining to watch the many tangents occur in the forums. There are other thoughts to put on the card, but I don't particularly care for this thread anymore. The card is boring and weird. It's more a joke than anything, but it's fine if you don't get it.
smackjack says... #2
Door to Nothingness is the closest i can think of..
January 7, 2015 8:23 a.m.