Purple can work: Your opinion?
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Posted on Oct. 1, 2015, 10:01 p.m. by Kyleeee
The idea I have for a sixth color would be to not be a personality/philosophy, in the sense, that people don't -conciously- have it.
Look at this a little different for a second:the color is not about any personality.It might not even count as a color, but it should be something.
Purple is the personality that doesn't know it exists. Its the color with the personality of quirks and ideas, some of which, work in the endless beyond, the symbolism of feelings, and ideas pertaining to things like meaning/philosophy. Purple is the color of the peoples of the planes that don't know their affect on reality.
I think this would work well for a temporary color simply because it would become a great transition from the Blind Eternities, to the Eldrazi. A specific color starting with the Blind Eternities, with amazingly detailed abilities from all ranges of other colors. Each spell would hurt and help, generally in equal amounts. And most combo to insane amounts, to bring net positive affects. Very complicated decks, that eventually travel from spells, to powerful creatures, like Ulamog and Emrakul. The sorceries and instants can convert with certain cards to enter the game as creatures besides enchantments, sorceries, ect.
There can be a few cards, that takes aspects of the enchantments on the field, and makes them into creatures, similar to the physical forms of the Eldrazi. I think that in this sense, they can be a color of physical symbolism. Ideas of the people can eventually be converted into Purple creatures, as in all non-creature spells.
That would be amazing, agreed? I have a problem with it though, the cards can become complicated, very hard to operate, but amazing when you get them to work, but is it truly a personality?
That's why a sixth color that I envision, wouldn't be on the wheel. We say the color wheel and purple, for purple is simply the idea of people believing something that may not be true.
Of course, this color couldn't connect with the other colors in the traditional sense. It would connect through using non-creature spells.
The personality of the color would be every color. The idea of the color would be connection between colors.
Any criticism would be appreciated, but keep it easy.
I don't think that thread works well for the color wheel. There is no place, and little lore.
October 1, 2015 10:08 p.m.
AwesomeName says... #4
By the way, fun fact about the color purple in magic: In Planar Chaos, instead of represent the set being in an alternate reality where the color pie was messed up, the thing for the set was going to be purple. The basic land for purple was going to be a city or a cave. Purple was only going to be included in that one set, but it was going to have very powerful cards (such as a purple Mana Drain) so that you might consider playing it.
Here's a link to a very interesting article posted several years ago about it.
October 1, 2015 10:10 p.m. Edited.
I don't think that would work either. The Blind Eternities, are too random for simple cards. The Blind Eternities would have a mix and match of different pieces.
But it is interesting! :) Thank you.
October 1, 2015 10:15 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #6
it won't as a whole new color. not only would a shitton of cards in the past not work for it, but entire new lands would need creation and it wouldn't be viable for YEARS until it gained a decent cardbase, unlike the main 5 who will always have their broken and banned cards. and since WOTC isn't going to print m insane bannable cards ever again, purple simply won't have any use whatsoever.
October 1, 2015 10:20 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #7
I'm just a bit lost on what you're trying to accomplish here. Could you give some examples of cards?
October 1, 2015 10:34 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #8
wait, were you trying to mix magic with a great film?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_Purple_(film)
because that isn't how this works.
October 1, 2015 10:39 p.m.
In a way they already did a Sixth Color in a sense, snow. If they ever did a new color for set, that might work for a single set run.
October 2, 2015 1:53 a.m.
Your idea fits perfectly in the color pie:
"Its the color with the personality of quirks and ideas, some of which, work in the endless beyond, the symbolism of feelings, and ideas pertaining to things like meaning/philosophy."
Welcome to the Izzet Guild 
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The problem is that you cannot find anything that is not already part of the color pie. If it is something "that people don't -conciously- have", how would you ever convey that? Remember, Wizards had trouble conveying that a colored card can be colorless, so they came up with devoid. How do you convey something without it being there.
If you can do this, I dare you to imagine a color that does not exist.
October 2, 2015 2:25 a.m.
Boza "If you can do this, I dare you to imagine a color that does not exist."
Done.
October 2, 2015 9:04 a.m.
I understand how it might sound: but I don't think I explained it correctly.
Purple is supposed to be the color of how the vast array of the information of the planes have representations. They aren't generated consciously, they are generated through the versatility of the populations of the planes. The Eldrazi live on being a representation of randomness. They were a positive representation with the correct pieces. That randomness isn't random: it is the ideas of the peoples of the planes. It would be a great extra to the lore, and it would be than understanding and creation. It would be the manifestation of that understanding, those ideas: they have the idea of a Bear, they produce a small flying token. They as a culture, think that purple is bad, the representation is a creature with 8 arms. The Eldrazi are the manifestations of large plains.
October 2, 2015 5:35 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #13
@Kyleeee I'm just going to say it instead of speaking around my opinion.
this concept is terrible and would not and will not work.
October 2, 2015 10:38 p.m.
Why talk little about it? The reason the post is here is to figure out if the concept would work.
Your opinion, why do the think the concept is bad?
October 2, 2015 11:53 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #15
you're theorizing a new color when one isn't needed and its a color that wouldn't make any sense or have any real interest or luster about it.
October 3, 2015 12:34 a.m.
Look, you are trying to describe something that is isn't. If you cannot make the concept understandable in any manner. Purple is what things aren't??? How is that supposed to mean anything.
Can you explain the general concept in one sentence?
For example, Black is: "Greatness, at any cost."
October 3, 2015 4:34 a.m.
Purple doesn't have a conscience. It is meant not to have people with core beliefs. It is meant to be the representation of the people's beliefs and opinions.
Thinking about it, it is a little like the elemental subclass. They don't have any personality but the ideas that make them up. The only creatures with conscience inside of the color would be random, chaotic, detailed.
Maybe, Purple would be: "Personal, eveywhere" But a personality is not what I am getting at: I am getting at just a sixth color, not on the color wheel. It has no personality, and it only has the other colors to draw on. It's not about an overarching personality, it is about a collage of characteristics, any possible. Each creature would be its own, going far and beyond. Each one has a personality, being the representation of a plane's thoughts.
But, it true that it would be hard to do. I think that it should be a short-term color, like an eldrazi extension.
October 3, 2015 2:05 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #18
Once again, could you offer some card concepts?
October 3, 2015 2:08 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #19
@Kyleeee one sentence.
also, how in the nine hells do ezldrazi fit into this nonsense?
October 3, 2015 2:15 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #20
It is nice to know that purple was already very well thought out by the folks at MSE. They did their own separate circle of colours.
- Pink
- Brown
- Yellow
- Purple
- Orange
You can consider Brown to being like landfall and land matters themes. It also pertains to reusing cards, so flashback, threshold, delve and scavenge would be potential terms. Epochalyptik's Tectonic mechanic for his own set is also a wonderful example.
Pink is sort of white weenies, and blue tempo. It doesn't destroy anything, but prefers peaceful and non-lethal manners to win games. Things like Pacifism, Unsummon, Sleep, Ghostly Prison and Crusade would all be terms for Pink. Hatebears is also a good example.
Yellow, you thought red was fast? Think again. Yellow is all about lightning quick speed, not with just creatures, but artifacts too. Dash effects, haste galour cards that return to hand EOT, affinity abilities, Ball Lightning effects, direct damage, storm these are all yellow stuff.
Purple, this was about chaos and entropy. Randomness ruled here. Pandemonium like effects are what purple excells at. Coin flips, dice rolls, widespread chaos in Damnation, choice effects in Steam Augury and Gifts Ungiven ... those sorts of things.
Orange, this could be said to be brown's opposite. This deals in slow and gradual decay. Land destruction, -X/-X counters, wither ... it is probably the least well known of all the colours.
I think I sufficiently described them all, hard to remember, though you could find the thread at MSE's forums that discussed all about them.
October 6, 2015 3:23 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #21
No wait, orange wouldn't be brown's enemy. It is hard to put this onto a colour wheel, because the only colour that orange really likes is purple, and brown only really likes pink. So it looks more like a straight line, with brown and orange "loosely" connected.
OPYIB
Orange
Purple
Yellow
Pink
Brown
October 6, 2015 3:41 a.m.
My purple idea turned into the colorless idea. I find this interesting, how they will change it. My predictions semi-held. The cards a little more complicated, a little bad, but there's high variety. I find this very interesting. My predictions were huge complicated abilities, rather than semi-complicated cards. Your opinions on my old prediction?
December 6, 2015 12:54 a.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #23
@Kyleeee "Your opinions on my old prediction?" still stupid.
and no, it has already been confirmed that it is NOT an entire new color. So quit it with the purple thing.
December 6, 2015 1:27 a.m.
Here's a hug bro. :) You sound upset. It makes me upset. Is everything okay man? :)
I hope you're okay.
I feel that it is a little like a new color, but not entirely. I thought that the eldrazi would become their own thing, with a new color type . I was wrong in the sense that lands wouldn't be created. Eldrazi became colorless, which I found interesting, a new color only in the sense of the word and in the sense of the story.
December 6, 2015 1:55 a.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #25
December 6, 2015 2:30 a.m.
Lol bro. Glad we are good now! Thought you were upset.
December 6, 2015 4:04 a.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #27
@Kyleeee still not your bro, jack.
and how exactly are we "good"
December 6, 2015 12:37 p.m.
You're a wizard jacob! Haha.
I feel that if it does become set with a new type of mana, my prediction would become entirely correct. I feel that the eldrazi cards are bad in a deck though, but they are interesting. Possibly whatever new sorceries and instants come out of the Eldrazi stuff they will be as interesting as possible. Possibly a specific eldrazi character of the three will become the crazy spell guy, another creature, another general interesting stuff. This set has not shown much in the term of creatures or spells, but the cards were complicated enough to be under one of the possible characteristics and characters of the Eldrazi.
December 6, 2015 5:44 p.m.
The best thought on this that I've seen is that this new symbol just replaces "costs X, ONLY use colorless mana" type stuff, and we will continue to have the gray circle with number for "use ANY mana, including colorless"
December 7, 2015 3:18 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #30
I just want to say that this "new" Wastes thing isn't actually new, it's been around since Spectral Chaos, a set designed to be made before Legends, but was scrapped. The land was called "Barry's Land" and was also intended to be in Invasion because of Domain, but was scrapped because of ruling issues. Notice how in BFZ Converge is similar to domain :P
I have an entire article on the the concept . If you scroll down to the bottom and look at the spoilers, you'll find the history of Barry's Land.
December 7, 2015 4:23 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #31
Barry's Land was just an in-production naming convention for the card. They would have obviously have named it to something that fits the lore of the set. They do this sort of thing with every single card in the set.
December 7, 2015 4:42 p.m.
This is amazing! They are doing it! I predicted something! :D
December 7, 2015 6:37 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #33
@Kyleeee what exactly did you predict?
because I didn't see any predictions.
waste mana isn't a new color, its fairly clear it stands for "pure colorless" mana. like sol ring will now add <><> instead of 2.
December 7, 2015 7:15 p.m.
It stands for it? The land type is shown to be a basic land type, its own thing without any cause for nondefined mana.
December 7, 2015 7:52 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #35
let me elaborate:
Thran Dynamo can be paid for with 4 GENARIC mana. this means green blue red black white or any combination of them.
it taps for 3 colorless, or now <> mana (pure colorless mana) so the new kozilek could be paid for with 8 mana of any combination (w, u, b, r, g or colorless) AND 2 EXACT colorless, like from Sol Ring
December 7, 2015 8:39 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #36
@aaron.jacob how would it be different from, lets say, green as long as it had cards that needed it to be cast?
also, its been dont quote me on this, but I have seen this from pretty much EVERYONE confirmed on what it is.
@Kyleeee is your name supposed to be kyle or Kylee? (like the girls name)
December 8, 2015 1:40 a.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #37
@aaron.jacob "what does the game need it for?" I believe they want to give colorless a different feel and make things incertain colorless harder to access, making for decks that require actual devotion to the concept instead of just throwing colorless in.
"it seems to me that in this case, "waste" refers to what WotC would be doing with their money in conceiving this idea, and printing this land."
for the record, I fucking hate this stupid land and things. it wasn't necessary and mainly is going to make anyone who has a colorless EDH deck feel cheated with all the new people who will be migrating over to it because of these worthless pieces of blasphemy. I built colorless because its fun and wasn't just an easy task; I had to work on it and think about lands and ramp because of no basics and now people can just hop into it without needing to think at all.
December 8, 2015 1:47 a.m.
Everything will work out. Would be funny if they banned the Wastes card. "Too overpowered." It probably won't go out though, maybe a few design changes to make it a basic land with something else inside of it. Or maybe a card that can be put into a deck as many times as wanted, but wasn't exactly a basic land. I think that it still work out.
They are swell people! :D
December 8, 2015 5:16 p.m.
Also, thanks for explaining to me how it will work. Any eldrazi they make should have that happen, because any of them can easily be ran.
December 8, 2015 5:18 p.m.
The_Redpill says... #41
Creatures that are instants? Sorceries that are enchantments?
I have seen God, and he was beautiful.
Here's an idea:
Thoughts of a Madman
1P (P = purple)
Sorcery
When Thoughts of a Madman is placed on the stack, put an idea counter on it.At the beginning of the next upkeep, Thoughts of a Madman deals X damage to each player, where X is the number of idea counters on it.
Idea of the Masses - Instead of paying the mana cost of ~, you may pay 4P. If you do, Thoughts of a Madman enters the battlefield as an enchantment and gains the text "At the beginning of your upkeep, put an idea counter on ~."
December 8, 2015 9:41 p.m.
Redpill, it would be nice if you didn't insult me. Please don't insult me friend. :)
December 8, 2015 9:50 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #43
@Kyleeee you brought this upon yourself.
@The_Redpill lol.
December 9, 2015 2:11 a.m.
The_Redpill says... #45
Kyleeee how did I insult you? I'm sorry that I did, I would just like to know how.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #2
Other thread about purple as a color
October 1, 2015 10:05 p.m.