Trying to make Storm work on a Planeswalker

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Posted on April 7, 2015, 3:43 p.m. by JWiley129

I had an idea for a planeswalker that utilizes Storm in their abilities, but I'm having difficulty making it work. Obviously the planeswalker can't have Storm itself, as Storm is a keyword granted only to Instants and Sorceries, but tell me what you guys think of this.

~, Storm Ascended

+2 : Each player discards a card. For each player who did so, that player draws a card.

-2 : ~ deals X damage distributed as you choose among any number of target creatures where X is the number of spells cast this turn.

-8 : Shuffle your library, then exile the top card of your library. Then you may play that card until the end of turn. Repeat this for each spell cast this turn.

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I hope it's clear that the 2nd ability is Grapeshot for creatures and the ultimate is Mind's Desire, but if not there ya go! Also I don't have a name, because frankly the name is just

The_Raven says... #2

Black? Why black? Storm is usually only U/R..... I think.....

April 7, 2015 3:48 p.m.

Well, a repeatable, uncouterable Grapeshot is already pretty bonkers, so adding some drawing and Mind's Desire to the mix...

April 7, 2015 3:48 p.m.

JWiley129 says... #4

NorthernRaven - Before there was Grapeshot, there was Tendrils of Agony. That's why it's black. I could see moving it into , but then the first ability isn't really red or blue.

FAMOUSWATERMELON - I agree it's pretty bonkers, but there is a ton of work that has to go into it before you "go off". Plus I didn't want this card to instant kill them with the -2, which is why I made it only creatures.

April 7, 2015 3:50 p.m.

Oh, didn't see that.

But then what's the point of it?

April 7, 2015 3:54 p.m.

JWiley129 says... #6

FAMOUSWATERMELON - "The point" is to try and make a Storm-like planeswalker, which I feel like I have succeeded in. Whether it's too strong is for people to playtest with, but I feel like this is a perfect Johnny planeswalker.

Also it's very rarely that a planeswalkers' second ability is that game breaking or instantly wins on the spot. I'd rather have the player work hard to get the Mind's Desire ultimate instead of just Grapeshoting their face.

April 7, 2015 3:57 p.m.

sergiodelrio says... #7

Isn't "discard a card, then draw a card" classic red?

April 7, 2015 4:07 p.m.

TurboFagoot says... #8

"Black? Why black? Storm is usually only U/R..... I think....."

Bahahaha this is what Modern players actually believe.

April 7, 2015 4:24 p.m.

Runlue says... #9

DID SOMEONE SAY JOHNNY!?

I think you did a pretty dang good job here, and if this ever became an actual card, I would drool more than I would ejaculate... or vice versa, I have no idea.

I would also like to point out that the first ability is more black than red, as EACH player discards a card. Remember Liliana of the Veil?

April 7, 2015 4:29 p.m.

See, the thing is, why would people play this walker, or more precisely storm players? Because the second ability is fairly useless (if you have that many spells, it's much better to drop a Grapeshot and just win) and the third ability is much much too slow. Storm decks usually get the combo off T3-T5. The earliest you'll get the ultimate off this guy is T7, and that's only if he takes little or no damage. The first ability is fine, but Storm decks just have better draw engines than this one.

Also, you might want to change the ultimate so that it says "without paying their mana costs."

April 7, 2015 4:29 p.m.

The_Raven says... #11

TurboFagoot, don't judge me. I'm just a modern player, who have never seen a Legacy match....

Isn't the first ability a Wheel of Fortune, Timetwister or just Faithless Looting. I don't really see anything black. The "discard/draw" is red and blue.

April 7, 2015 4:37 p.m.

What exactly does the first ability mean? The wording is off. Does it mean everyone discards one and then everyone draws? Or is it targeting a player who draws cards equal to the number that everyone discarded?

If it's the first one, I'm pretty sure it would just be worded "Each player discards a card, then draws a card." There's a few other things, like "distributed" should be "divided." I'm still trying to figure out how the ultimate should be worded. The first part of it should just be Mind's Desire verbatim of course, but I can't decide if the functional storm part of it should be "For each spell cast this turn, ...." at the beginning of the effect, or "For each spell cast this turn, repeat this process" at the end of the effect.

As far as the functionality of the card, though, it seems totally sweet and very powerful. The low loyalty balances it a little bit, but it still might be a bit too powerful. Really neat concept, though!

April 7, 2015 4:48 p.m.

sergiodelrio says... #13

Runlue I strongly disagree. I understand that isolated discarding is black. But this is "discard a card, then draw a card" - a totally different effect. There is NO black card with this effect. Feel free to check Gatherer.

April 7, 2015 4:53 p.m.

Necrotize says... #14

IMO, either remove the black cost entirely, or change the second ability into a mini Tendrils that deals 1 damage and gains 1 life. Mostly because the ultimate is definitely a blue effect while the first ability is right in red's wheelhouse. Draw tied to discard has always been a primarily red ability, but it also can be found on some mono-blue cards. But it definitely isn't black.

Leaving it as is and just removing black would make it a very Izzet planeswalker though, which is perfectly fine.

April 7, 2015 4:58 p.m.

The_Raven says... #15

sergiodelrio, Uhm..... Dark Deal?

April 7, 2015 5:01 p.m.

sergiodelrio says... #16

NorthernRaven very far away from "discard a card, draw a card".

April 7, 2015 5:05 p.m.

JWiley129 says... #17

alexthegreat38 - The first ability is an attempt to template Daretti, Scrap Savant's +2 for multiple people, that way you don't have your opponent who has 0 cards in hand draw a card. And I like the card being black because while "discard a card, then draw a card" is a red ability, making each player do that feels more than mono-Red.

I agree that I need to change the ultimate to let you cast the spells w/o paying their mana costs. That was just an oversight on my part.

And WOW! I am surprised at how many people have commented already! I still need to get the numbers right, but I'm glad this card has generated this discussion already.

April 7, 2015 5:08 p.m.

lothshteth says... #18

Just some rewording...

+2: Each player discards a card, then each player who discarded a card this way draws a card.

-8: Shuffle your library. Then exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost. Repeat this process for each spell cast this turn.

Strong but balanced walker. Kudos, but I do agree, as is not repping . Unless you want to add gain life to the second ability. If you do make it -3. Or just drop .

April 7, 2015 7:28 p.m.

CharonSquared says... #19

I think it would be interesting if the -2 ability added 2 or 3 to your storm count.

April 7, 2015 8:56 p.m.

"This ability counts as a speel being cast." Is this how we would word it?

April 9, 2015 9:07 p.m.

JWiley129 says... #21

Upping the Storm count sounds a lot like upping the devotion count, difficult to word and ultimately not to worth the space. I'd rather have the abilities have psuedo-Storm than upping the Storm count.

April 9, 2015 9:58 p.m.

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