debt to the deathless good or bad
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Posted on Feb. 5, 2014, 2:44 a.m. by NoSkoolLikeOldSkool
Is there a card in standard that has a cheaper CMC than debt to the deathless that works in an orzhov deck?
CrazyLittleGuy says... #3
It would help if you posted the deck link as well, so people could give proper suggestions related to how your deck is built. Different Orzhov cards work with different strategies, even if they are in the same colors.
February 5, 2014 3:05 a.m.
scottemery says... #4
If you have enough extort triggers available then it is to a similar effect but more reliable and consistent. Death Grasp is similar but obviously not in standard or even modern for that fact.
February 5, 2014 3:18 a.m.
Remember Debt to the Deathless drains for 2x for each opponent, but in standard unless you have super heavy ramp it isn't going to work.
February 5, 2014 4:11 a.m.
Debt to the Deathless is really only okay in slower formats such as limited. I'm not saying it might not be viable as a 1-of or 2-of for a finisher in a control-ish Orzhov deck, but the deck would have to be able to support it. Topdecking Debt isn't that exciting if you have 6-8 on the board, without other ways to apply pressure. As mentioned above, extort is good, just don't ever extort off the cast of Debt (unless you're REALLY worried about a counterspell and need to gain life).
February 5, 2014 4:19 a.m.
Stygian333 says... #7
Depends on if you have a deck built for it / around it. I've seen a list built around Crypt Ghast
, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
, Liliana of the Dark Realms
, and I think he tossed in Underworld Connections
for card advantage. Then you then strap in the mono-black devotion shell stuff like Gray Merchant of Asphodel
to power up Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
and you can eventually cast a huge Debt to the Deathless
if you don't smash their face first.
February 5, 2014 10:12 a.m.
There is certainly stuff thats cheaper in Orzhov, but not that does the same thing. I'm a big fan of Debt to the Deathless . Probably ont more than a 2x of in any deck, but it is a huge bomb. Crypt Ghast and Liliana of the Dark Realms make it work. Debt to the Blood Baron
CrazyLittleGuy says... #2
You mean ones that have an ability for X mana that syphon life from your opponent equal to X? No, unfortunately, not in Standard. However, there are still other cards in Orzhov colors that I would run over Debt to the Deathless , but they don't have the same effect.
February 5, 2014 3:03 a.m.