Do counters add to a creature power upon sacrifice?

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Posted on Oct. 4, 2012, 6:43 p.m. by hainspuerterican

For example if i played Unbreathing Horde then played Disciple of Bolas . If my Unbreathing Horde was at say 10/10 due to the zombies in my graveyard/field and i sac'd him to Disciple of Bolas would i then draw 10 and gain 10 life? My friend said it would be worthless because Unbreathing Horde has a starting power of 0/0 and that the counters he gets from my other zombies wouldn't count towards his power when sacrificed? can somebody clear this up please?

hainspuerterican says... #2

just read here http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Counter_(noun) seems like counters don't actually boost the power of a sacrifice according to this? or am i reading it wrong?

October 4, 2012 6:51 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #3

When an effect like this requires the power or toughness of a creature that died, it uses that creature's last known information. The LKI of Unbreathing Horde is that it was a 10/10.

Note that if the effect specifically requires the power or toughness of that creature card, then it would be different. The P/T of Unbreathing Horde as a creature card is 0/0.

October 4, 2012 6:53 p.m.

hainspuerterican says... #4

well it just say that creatures power on Disciple of Bolas soooo.............

October 4, 2012 6:55 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #5

So, as I said, the LKI of Unbreathing Horde is used. You gain 10 and draw ten.

October 4, 2012 7:33 p.m.

Hiding says... #6

Im pretty sure you could used like giant growth or something to buff up the zombie's power before sacrificing it, it just says its power and that takes into account any +1/+1 's it gets from any source so the counters would count toward this as well.

October 4, 2012 7:38 p.m.

hainspuerterican says... #7

thanks so much!

October 4, 2012 8:04 p.m.

TheOne4221 says... #8

But drawing ten is not going to be good... Gonna have to discard quite a bit.

October 4, 2012 9:18 p.m.

theinfernumflame says... #9

Maybe you'll luck out and get to discard a couple Gravecrawler s.

October 4, 2012 9:58 p.m.

hainspuerterican says... #10

the point is to discard if you review my deck

October 4, 2012 10:22 p.m.

Hiding says... #11

madness deck?

October 6, 2012 2:25 p.m.