Do the Ordeal's activate from any counters from any source?
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Posted on Oct. 25, 2013, 1:18 a.m. by Raguto
Yes, because the Ordeals only care about +1/+1 counters on the enchanted creature. An example in standard is Evolve +1/+1 counters.
October 25, 2013 1:29 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Questions like this should be asked in the Q&A.
First, none of the ordeals have activated abilities. They have triggered abilities, which trigger.
The ordeals each have a single triggered ability that pertains to +1/+1 counters. An ordeal is only sacrificed during the resolution of its first triggered ability, and only if the enchanted creature has three or more +1/+1 counters on it. It doesn't matter whether another effect put those counters on the enchanted creature.
Putting additional +1/+1 counters on the enchanted creature will not cause the ability to trigger, but the next time the ability triggers, it will see those counters.
October 25, 2013 1:29 a.m.
I should have rephrased the question as, does the sacrifice "trigger" if you had put 3 +1+1 counters on it from some other card or ability, after attacking.
October 25, 2013 1:45 a.m.
The ordeals don't activate, their sacrifice becomes triggered. You can't reach that trigger until you are attacking with the creature, and have 3 or more +1/+1's on it. Just having the counters there is not enough. You need to be attacking for it to read how many counters it has on it.
October 25, 2013 1:54 a.m.
Situation;
You have a Cloudfin Raptor with three +1/+1 counters on it. You cast Ordeal of Heliod , targeting and enchanting the raptor.
You declare attackers, declaring Cloudfin Raptor
as an attacker. Ordeal of Heliod
triggers, putting one more +1/+1 counter on the raptor. Then the Ordeal checks to see if the raptor has three or more +1/+1 counters on it. It does. You sacrifice the Ordeal, and gain 10 life.
Just keep in mind that if you sacrifice an Ordeal due to its own trigger, the creature will get one more +1/+1 counter before the Ordeal LTB's, and that this all happens before declare blockers happens.
October 25, 2013 1:55 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #8
Situation 2:
You have a Cloudfin Raptor with no counters on it and a Battering Krasis with 4 counters on it.
You cast Ordeal of Heliod , targeting the Raptor. Then you attack with the Raptor. Ordeal trigger goes on the stack.
With Ordeal trigger on the stack, you cast Bioshift , putting the 4 counters from Krasis onto the Raptor. Ordeal trigger resolves, putting a 5th counter on Raptor.
Ordeal sees that there are now at least 3 counters on the Raptor, so it is sacrificed and you gain 10 life.
October 25, 2013 2:03 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #9
Situation 3:
You have the same board as Situation 2 and declare Cloudfin Raptor as an attacker. Ordeal trigger goes on the stack.
Ordeal trigger resolves, putting a +1/+1 counter on the Raptor. Ordeal is not sacrificed because there is only 1 counter on Raptor.
After resolution, you cast Bioshift with the same targets. Raptor now has 5 counters and an Ordeal on it. The Ordeal ability has already resolved, so it does not re-check the number of counters on the Raptor.
Raptor deals 5 combat damage. Combat step ends.
October 25, 2013 2:09 a.m.
@NobodyPicksBulbasaur, adding sit:3 was a good idea. if there are still questions on how this thing works i'd be surprised.
October 25, 2013 2:14 a.m.
Thanks a lot to everyone and sorry for consistently posting in the wrong area.
The Doctor says... #2
You can gain the counters from any source, but the ordeal must be triggered by attacking.
October 25, 2013 1:25 a.m.