Flipping a Ludevic's Test Subject in a U/R deck

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Posted on March 16, 2012, 4:02 a.m. by notinuse

deck:ur-ludivec-on-fire

Thoughts on how to get the flip consistently? I'd think all the proliferate would do the trick, but how do I protect my newly hatched abomination besides Cancel? I'd like to run Mana Leak, but it seems to crowd the deck and what I'm trying to do with it.

This started out as a Burning Vengeance deck, so the maybeboard cards are still geared in that direction.

notinuse says... #2

Also, is the Perilous Myr/Infernal Plunge/Priest of Urabrask combo too convoluted or slow for what I'm attempting? Would Cackling Counterpart with Reverberate, Increasing Vengeance, and Chandra, the Firebrand's -2 be enough to just COPY the flipped Test Subject and create a bunch of 13/13 tramplers before my opponent can catch up?

March 16, 2012 4:08 a.m.

calsino says... #3

If you copy a flipped creature you only copy the base card- so you'll just be laying a bunch of eggs with that combo.

May 22, 2012 1:28 p.m.

Sagi007 says... #4

i thought if u copy a card you copy the side that is up like with Phyrexian Metamorph copying Ravager of the Fells to have the flipped side permanently

May 22, 2012 1:43 p.m.

calsino says... #5

you'd think so but it's actually always the base card:

"If you copy a flipped permanent, you get the normal, unflipped version. That copy may flip later if certain conditions are met."

http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/153/~/magic%3A-the-gathering%3A-flip-cards

May 22, 2012 1:48 p.m.

calsino says... #6

unless I'm looking at an old ruling

May 22, 2012 1:52 p.m.

calsino says... #7

In reference to this: http://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/phyrexian-metamorph-on-flip-cards/

I think I was misinformed, my mistake

May 22, 2012 1:54 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #8

A flip card is very different from a transform card. Flip cards function like .

If an effect would copy a double-faced card, it copies only the face that is currently up. Copies of DFCs cannot transform - only permanents represented by DFCs can transform. Therefore, you can effectively use is a very fragile creature. It requires a huge investment of mana and can be killed or otherwise dealt with relatively quickly and easily with any of the removal spells prevalent in the format.

May 22, 2012 2:32 p.m.