Gravecrawler and Burning Vengeance

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Posted on Jan. 26, 2012, 3:39 p.m. by NobodyPicksBulbasaur

Please check out Zombies with a Vengeance! and give me some advice on what you think.

olowleye says... #2

deck looks sweet brotha'..i advise using lot of undying' so cards like Undying Evil would be awesome.. exception to Gravecrawler..

January 26, 2012 4:44 p.m.

NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #3

I understand that this is a combo deck and will not function perfectly every time.

That being said, I am finding that even though my mana base fits the wheel perfectly, I am having early-game color issues. Any ideas how to fix my early game mana base?

January 26, 2012 8:12 p.m.

rckclimber777 says... #4

I'd go with a 3rd dragonskull summit in place of a mountain.

Also you may consider Darkslick Shores x2 over an island and a swamp. It is pretty hard to get your mana base right for a 3 color deck. Just keep working at it tweaking one or two lands at a time. typically when i'm trying to get my mana base perfect I'll spend some time playtesting it over and over again. Then change one or two lands and do it again all the time observing by what turn I have stabilized the mana situation. Tbh it is probably the most difficult aspect of making a strong 3 color deck.

January 26, 2012 11:35 p.m.

OmegaSerris says... #5

@olowleye

Undying doesn't trigger Burning Vengeance. Undying puts the creature back into play, you aren't 'casting' the creature from the graveyard, or from anywhere at all.

The only creatures (in T2) that will trigger it are Skaab Ruinator, Gravecrawler, and cards targeted by Havengul Lich. (Unless I am forgetting one from DKA)

January 27, 2012 10:14 a.m.

Cableguy says... #6

I think your better off without Burning Vengeance, sure it gets a 'little' better but Burning Vengeance wasnt even good in a Burning Vengeance deck (competitively).

January 27, 2012 10:15 a.m.

djgunn says... #7

Cableguy, I really wish there was a way to vote for a 'Comment of the Day' on tappedout. Cause, I really Lol'ed at your comment.

January 27, 2012 3:23 p.m.

NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #8

Burning Vengeance is only bad in a burning vengeance deck because it relies on flashback, which is inherently slow and buggy. Gravecrawler is both cheap, even from the graveyard, and stays in the graveyard when it dies, which adds recursion, not to mention you get a body out of it.. Together, these two traits make the crawler better than, say, a flashed back Think Twice.

January 27, 2012 3:55 p.m.

OmegaSerris says... #9

I think the point they are trying to make here is that in that case, Burning Vengance is more or less a dead card unless you can pull one of the four (hopefully) Gravecrawlers UNLESS you fill the deck with flashback. Those being, as a rule, slower and weaker spells than their non-flashback counterparts.

It's like running 4 Miran Swords with Invisible Stalkers as the only 4 creatures in the deck. Sure it's nice when you get the two cards together, but most of the time those equipment are just going to sit there looking pretty. You could add more creatures but when your other options for creatures are Storm Crows, maybe you should rethink the deck strategy.

January 27, 2012 7:38 p.m.

olowleye says... #10

@OmegaSerris didnt catch the cast part of the txt'...good looking out brotha'...appreciate it'

January 27, 2012 9:12 p.m.